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John Doe

I work for hollywood video and well when we started that $9.99 movie thing, we have this really freaking annoying customer that calls every freaking day and comes every freaking day (sometimes 2/3 times a day) rents the 3 movies comes back 2-3 hours later(obviously not enough time to watch all 3) and rents 3 more. I know he's copying. But hey, I do the same :) But haven't recently because not very good movies. (I do own over 250 legally bought retail dvds).

But I do rip netflix movies not to copy and burn them and keep it, but to rip them to my hard drive, ship them back the same day... and watch the movies later at my convenience on the computer and get more movies faster! :)

john doe2

i do, almost 70 so far. the price point is under 2 dollars a DVD for me. DVDshrink does a nice job, or DVD X Copy Platinum is good too. Suprnova.org for bit torrents of the apps.

T. Bradley Dean

I don't. I do video editing so I certainly have the hardware. But at $10 to $20 I'd rather just buy the DVD. Ripped DVDs don't have full menus, behind the scenes stuff, etc. DVD-Rs are limited to two hours, or reduced quality from what I understand.

Although, I do rip from TiVo. Just extended time shifting.

BTW john doe2 - try Meritline.com. $2 per DVD is over twice as much as you should be spending on DVD-Rs.

Aron

On the same subject. Am I the only one that gets aggravated by unremorseful pirates?

john doe2

$2 for DVDR and netflix subscription total... less than a buck for the actual media.

the kiosk

Wait a minute... you can copy your netflix?

Now that is a brilliant idea!!! Thank you, Hacking Netflix!!

:-)

Just kidding. I never really have thought seriously about it, though. I just don't have any reason to. If I ever want to see something again I just throw it back on the old queue. It's not like I (parent of a toddler) have the time to watch more than five movies a week anyway. (And if I did, I'd rather use the extra time to do something revolutionary, like read a BOOK!)

Btw, how many old-timers do we have here? I'm logging three years, eight months now... not sure if that qualifies me as an old-timer or not.

By the way, people who copy music, movies, or software for their own personal use may be freeloaders, and you may even think them (us) to be scum of the earth, but they (we) are not pirates. Pirating refers to copying things in order to sell them for a profit. Now THAT'S scum, for you.

Aron

I accept the distinction in the words pirate and freeloader, and piracy is worse on the scale - agreed. Publicly discussing your freeloading and/or instructing others in the practice is like running around telling everyone you're still living at home with your parents or on welfare. It's not a behavior that will earn any points with me. And while I'd put the mentality of it on a similar axis as many other criminal behaviors, it'll take a lot more then that to get to 'scum of the earth'.

bluray boi

No.

I know it can be done, and I haven't ever wanted to.

Basically, there are not that many DVD's I would actually like to own permanately, and when i DO purchase a DVD it is almost always the 'special' edition, boxset, or widescreen 2 disc version.

I am very "choosy consumer" when it comes to adding more titles to my DVD library, since i have now 3 full shelves and no more room.

But I also think people in general should really become more selective with the crap they buy or accumulate.

I own almost all of my 'absolute' favorite films now as well. Most of these DVD's were bought USED or ON SALE for around $ 8-12 ea, and are all in pristine condition with very nice cases.

"Duping" cannot really beat that when you consider the time, energy and effort it would take, plus = they would be WITHOUT lovely packaging or special features that i like.

There are some films i had wanted, which after i re-considered purchasing, decided that eventually if the mood occurs to view these again, i could just re-Netflix them at any time.

Or perhaps by that time "On-Demand movies" will be proliferating everywhere like Netflix just now seems to be doing. Sorry USPS.

I hope so.

papercut

Yup i burn 'em and watch them later. I wouldnt have time to watch on the eight at a time program if I didnt. Dvd Decrypter, then Dvd Shrink, Then Nero Recode 2. And btw I have legally bought many more movies since I have started burning that I otherwise would have never seen. In many foreign countries it is almost impossible to get a non-pirated dvd at a decent price. Burning these DVDs is not necessarily illegal by the way as there are many many loopholes....it may go against the user agreement but who gives a sh**.The digital millenium copyright act is about a joke anyway.

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Luke

Very interesting - it seems that a LOT of people are ripping DVDs! I don't, mostly because it takes about 10 hours on my PC, and doesn't turn out looking that great because I'm not a genius about ripping them and compressing them or anything. But maybe DVD Shrink or other software is faster. I still have a hard time believing that it takes some people less time to rip a DVD than to watch it. That would mean ripping the DVD generally takes less than 2 hours???

I rip dvd's I own for road trips or for my family to "rent" from me as I live out of state and they like my collection. I don't rip from netflix unless I am unable to watch it within 3 days. Then I rip it to the HD and watch from there at a later date. Cost is around $2 total for media, case, printing a nice cover and time is about 1 hour. I built a seperate PC for around $180 to do just my burning (general, audio, dvd, HD backup) as I found a PC that is not open to the internet (even though I am behind a firewall) will burn better quality as it was only built to do 1 thing. And no the seperate machine isn't pimped out by any means, a 1.5 Athlon, DVD +/- RW drive, DVD ROM Drive, and a 30GB HD. We aren't talking about a major investment here.

Derek

Ripping a DVD to the hard drive actually only takes a few minutes, at least on my PowerMac G5... compressing it down to a 700mb CD size takes a couple of hours for most movies. When I had a slower eMac I'd just let them compress overnight 'cause it took about 6 - 7 hours.

That Guy

Two points:

1. "Pirates" or not . . . these people are still pumping money into the economy. Rental fees, DVD+R, hardware, etc.

2. The "pirates" I know spend a fortune on DVD sets etc., so what if they copy some too. They get more for their money that way. Most discs are WAY overpriced, especially when turn around and release a "special edition" a few months later.

Anthony

I rip every movie I get and then send them back this allows me to have a really nice collection of movies I have not seen for whenever I want them. I have about 130 so far. I use DVD shrink, it copies the entire DVD, every menu, every game, every option. You could not tell the difference in my DVD and the real thing once it is in the player. This is mainly for convenience, I have paid my fee to watch the movie, but I maximize the number of movies I get by copying and sending it back immediately.

Anthony

Ripping DVD's with DVDshrink takes me less than an hour by the way. I get the DVD's through Pricewatch at less than 20 cent a piece and they work fine.

Not a pirate

I am not a pirate: I have never attacked shipping or raped and pillaged. I am one of the many who refuses to go along quietly with the equation of minor violations of intellectual property law with armed robbery and murder on the high seas.

That said, I rip my netflix. I don't burn them to DVD-Rs unless they are single-layer and I really want to keep them. It's not worth the trouble to transcode double-layer material, but there are some movies that come as single layer stuff that I do burn and keep.

Mostly I rip so that I can artificially increase the size of my queue. I am punished for my "crime" by getting a lot more short and long waits than I expect is the average case.

jkf

"But I do rip netflix movies not to copy and burn them and keep it, but to rip them to my hard drive, ship them back the same day... and watch the movies later at my convenience on the computer and get more movies faster! :)"

I also do this. To clarify. I copy them to my computer, return the disc the same day, watch the copy later (usually within a day or two,) and then delete the copy from my computer. They never end up being burned to a disc.

I believe this is legal, (time-shifting) and I believe it is ethical, or I (probably) wouldn;t do it.

DatNetflixGuy

Been ripping for a while now. I don't actually think that I've ever watched any of the movies that I've ripped more than once, so maybe I'm stupid for doing it. If Netflix would just hurry up with the Video-On Demand type of service, that would completely do away with my need to burn them - return them. Right now I'm just doing it to maximize the number of movies that I can get a month. If I had a Video-On Demand service where I could just request what I want and a couple of hours later watch it - delete it, there would be no point to copy them. I would basically have the entire Netflix library in my living room! BTW, all of the special features are kept when ripping. If they are not, then you are ripping it wrong. Read up on it more. It takes me an hour to rip and burn - together!

If Hollywood would just hurry up with this and get me a On Demand service that works with their "Copyright" laws, I'd be all too happy to use it. Even at $40 bucks a month.

Phillip Winn

Kiosk, I've been a Netflix member since 1999 -- before they adopted their current rental scheme, btw.


While I ripped a couple in the early days, I don't any more. At first it was cool, like: "I can do this?!" But movies I really enjoy, I buy, and movies I don't, why waste a blank DVD-R on them?

All in all, I think I still have one movie that I ripped from Netflix. The others I threw away, either before or after the quality of the ripped discs degraded.

It's just not worth it -- you can get any movie within a day or two anyway as long as you're a Netflix customer, and you can't possibly watch all of the movies you can rip, and most aren't worth watching again anyway. If they are, it's cheap to buy them: usually under $20. I only own about 160 or so, myself, because Netflix keeps me satisfied.

Hunter McDaniel

My problem with folks ripping their Netflix DVDs is that it violates the understanding behind the "unlimited" renting model. It's very much like people going to a buffet restaurant and stuffing food into their pockets.

Aron

But 'not a pirate', you fail to substitute a better label for yourself. 'Occasional violator of intellectual property' is kind of wordy, and then you don't even have an excuse to say 'Arrr'. The debate is not about moral equivalency with real pirates, nice try.

I'm happy to see at least one person spoke to a respect for the arrangement between you, the consumer, and Netflix. Movies don't grow on trees. Your justification for using the material outside the boundaries of the agreement should go beyond your own personal price calculations of hardware and plastic. Time-shifting does not seem to be a gross misjustice. Some of the justifications above are laughable, such as:

"so what if they copy some too. They get more for their money that way." - I'm not stealing! I'm just getting more for my money!

"Yup i burn 'em and watch them later. I wouldnt have time to watch on the eight at a time program if I didnt." - Yup, really no recourse but copying there. Too bad they don't have a cheaper plan for fewer discs. And screw the person who put you in such an uncomfortable position!

What aggravates me is the general sense of entitlement to the output of other's work. It's also, to equal extent, the impression given that your actions are bounded only by your odds of getting caught. Both behaviors cause problems when scaled to a large percentage of the population. Fortunately, the copiers are the small minority despite the impression given by the volume of posts here. The rest of us in essence are paying a freeloader tax on your behalf. Remember that price hike all of us suffered recently?

price hike

Uh that price hike is for more shipping centers and more movies. because more and more people are JOINING netflix... hopefully.

Peter

I love the rationalization "The movies are overpriced anyway" or "They make enough money". If you don't think the product is worth it, you don't buy it. The alternative isn't necessarily to steal it. Maybe you will have to (dare I say it) do without.

The only reason ripping is happening is because it is cheap and easy. I'm sure most of the rippers would not think about walking into a store and physically stealing a DVD they thought was too expensive. You may think there is a difference because there is a physical product, but there really isn't.

As far as ripping just to time shift, what's the point? If you can't watch a movie in a reasonable amount of time, just return it and put it back in the queue. Regardless of the legality, using Netflix to build a personal "library" is certainly against the spirit of the service. If you don't have time to watch the movies as they come, how do you have time to rip them and watch them later?

Aron is right - if you're ripping and returning movies immediately, you're taxing the people who aren't. I work at Netflix. The price hike was basically entirely due to increased consumption. We support new hubs by the growth of the base, but every movie we ship costs us money. We lose money on your ripping.

We're also supposed to report people that we know are ripping, if we know who they are. We do keep an eye out for that.

We LOVE our loyal customers, don't get me wrong, but you're kidding yourselves if you don't think there's a cost to ripping. If all you want to do is rip movies, there is an alternative: www.blockbuster.com. ;)

Jairus

I guess from this disscusion it looks like a tivo-like appliance that would keep a copy of a movie on hd until you run out of space would be a good idea...I know because of copyright issues nobody is crazy enough to come up with one of these...

SpaceNerd

Jarius:::

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'tivolike' device?

hmmmmm ...


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Reuters
Posted online: Friday, October 01, 2004 at 1259 hours IST

New York/Los Angeles, October 1: Online DVD rental service Netflix Inc and digital video recorder maker TiVo Inc on Thursday said they would jointly develop a product to download movies over the Internet, a deal uniting two of the fastest growing brands in home entertainment.



Shares of TiVo jumped 7 per cent and shares of Netflix rose 5 per cent in after-hours trade on the widely anticipated announcement for a set-top box that represents a kind of technological Holy Grail for the entertainment industry.
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a 'tivolike' device.

Doug

I have a question to the Netflix worker about how they are supposed to report people who are suspected of ripping movies. Isnt Netflix under the same type of agreement that local video stores are that they cannot disclose or tell anyone about how we rent and what we rent. Also how do you suspect someone, are there a list of things that make you report such a person?

We're bound to the same agreements as video stores - it's the video privacy protection act. We never disclose what you rent. However when people receive three discs in one day and consistently have all of those discs back in the mail to us the same day, it's suspicious. Fortunately for us, it's an extremely small population of our member base.

I'm not in Legal so I shouldn't and won't get into what our obligations are to the studios vs. copyright law vs. what we can legally disclose about a member (which to your point is almost nothing).

David

Member since '00, also before they changed the policy, by the way. I still get 4 movies at a time for the same fee that you lowly 3-movies-at-a-time peons pay. Neener neener.

I've never ripped, primarily because I'm too lazy. I'm all for the movies on demand bit, obviously. Save us all the hassle of the farkin USPS.

Squash

How I view folks...

People who buy DVD's instead of mainly renting = Dumb. (or rich)
People who rent from BB = ignorant to plans like netflix (or just plain dumb)
People who use netflix = Smart & informed
People who rip netflix for personal use = Smart with some balls
People who rip netflix for personal gain = Theives
People who rip pornflix and sell them for $10 instead of the $40-$60 they usually go for = Robbin Hoods
People who distribute kiddie porn = far below the scum of the earth
People who read books = Tree killers!!! (just kidding)
People who rent books and photocopy them for personal gain = living in the wrong decade
People who copy books by hand = ...sad...
People who copy pics of Christina Aguilera dressed skimpy = me :D

The End = enough already

pete

Let's be honest here. We all know that ripping movies is against the law. So is speeding. I frequently speed because the benefit to me (getting somewhere quicker) outweighs the potential in penalties. When the penalties for ripping affect the typical consumer they will stop.

Mike

What's the difference between taping, DVD copying or Tivo'ing a show or a movie from broadcast tv, cable, satellite, internet download or ripping a copy from a rental DVD?

Not a friggen thing!

Netflix just partnered with Tivo fer crying out loud!
Don't tell me that Tivo is going to stop making Tivo DVD recorders because someone might use it to burn a Netflix rental DVD....

If someone really wants it for "free" they'll head on over to the newsgroups or bit torrent sites.

I pay Netflix for a service.

Just like I pay for cable/satellite/internet and broadcast TV (via commercials).

Jairus

For people that do copy DVD's jump on this deal:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000233ZKM/ref%3Dnosim/fatwalletcom/104-7894673-8791146

have any of your guys ever accidentally sent back a COPY you made?!? i'm pretty paranoid - this is the only one i've ever copied because my husband is away for a month and i wanted to be nice and send him the movie so he could watch it, and i sent the COPY! what's going to happen? i really hope we don't get in deep deep trouble - i wasn't going to sell it or anything, it was just an honest mistake. it also looks really bad because i watch about 5 a week when i get home from work, so we rent a lot anyway. any advice? please make me feel better!
thanks!

papercut

lol u sent a copy back i think your screwed. I'm not 'paranoid' about doing that but I always triple check. Did You label the disc or just send them a DVD-r? Blockbusters site has info on what to do if u accidently send them one of your own discs. If I were you I would cancel then resubscribe under a different name(middle name perhaps). I'm sure theyre supposed to tell the higher ups but maybe you'll get lucky and whoever finds it at the center might toss it out or pass it on to the next person. Just send back the original disc if you haven't (like 2 discs in one sleeve)....good luck with that though.

Jeff

I wonder if Netflix is working for the dvd-writer hardware companies.

i DID label it, that's the problem. i'm going to call them tomorrow and try to clear it up. i understand if they have to cancel our subscription, that's fine, i just don't want to get in big trouble! it's just such a silly thing and a silly mistake! i felt bad about the copy in the first place, and i guess i just got so nervous that i wasn't paying attention :( anybody else have any ideas or advice but the guy that said "i'm screwed?!" geez!

Sue

how do they know who the DVDs are coming from when you send them back? can't you just put the original one back in the jacket with another movie? is there a number that has your account info on it on the mailer? maybe they will not know who the "copy" came from!

Aron

Just tell them you didn't have time to watch it or that you were just "getting more for your money". That should work. If not, you can probably post the story online and get contributions for legal fees from the thousands of ideological crusaders of this just and noble cause. Actually that's doubtful, but they can at least run some DNOS attacks on Netflix or wreck havoc with some Outlook mail bombs (aka Hax0r 733ts U/\/i+3). If executed properly you could begin the revolution as thousands of bleary-eyed comrades emerge from the dark confines of their parent's basement and march towards the sunlight of hope and good entertainment.

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