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corey3rd

sometimes the film isn't the R rated cut of a PG-13 film. They just added more footage and call it unrated cause they a) don't want to pay for another trip to the MPAA review board and b) want to fool people who saw the film in the theater to rent it again to see the "version the MPAA didn't want us to show you!" It's a gimmick.

Realistically if the director's cut of a PG-13 film is the version that received an "R" from the review board, it needs to carry the R rating.

I do find it funny that Wal-Mart won't carry NC-17 films, but has no problem with an Unrated director's cut of an R-rated film. The only way this will change for major releases is if Wal-Mart turns on the heat.

NetflixShill

I resent not being able to get the theatrical cuts for Blade Runner, Brazil, Star Wars 4-6, and many other films on DVD. If directors want to ADD a new version (through seamless branching or double side disc), that's fine. But don't throw out the version that viewers fell in love with. Adding scenes that merely repeat things we already know is stupid. And yes, I'm looking at you, Mr. Lucas. Greedo's speech in Star Wars was repeated, verbatim, by Jabba about five minutes later. Plus, George Doffus changed the movie so Greedo shoots first instead of Han Solo. I want to see the original versions on DVD. If there is a director's cut, it should be optional on the same disc or on a bonus disc. Stop cheating us out of our memories, Hollywood. Have some respect for cinematic history and stop all the revisionism.

corey3rd

The theatrical cut of Brazil was put out on DVD in 1998. Shame you didn't buy it then. But DVDs do go out of print.

Warners was in the process of putting together a DVD boxset of Bladerunner that would have both cuts. This has been completely derailed by someone with enough power to have basically stopped the project and prevents any public exhibition of the film.

You will never see the original cut of Star Wars 4-6 on a legit DVD because Lucas altered the negative when he did the special editions. He hates the original cuts so much that he banned a Technicolor print of Star Wars from being shown in LA. His excuse to us "he doesn't want red shifted prints screened." We're talking Technicolor-IB. But Mr. Movie Genius was to dense to care and stuck with his lame excuse. The only way you'll see a DVD of Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi is if it's a bootleg struck from the laserdisc.

BoB

A couple of comments:

1st: I agree with the 1st poster that "usually" the UR versions are not R-rated material added in but just unused or deleted footage that the director felt should be in or cut to save time or move the story along. And if they do not resubmit it to the MPAA, then it gets the UR tag.

2nd: I have to admit it, I agree with "The Shill" and Corey. I would like to see Blade Runner with the original voiceover and the "happy ending". I have no problem with directors doing special releases but I really want to be able to have the original version available as well. I personally am no longer thrilled to see anything Lucas does anymore. It unbelievable the things he gets away with. He needs to be taken down a notch. I wish the industry would quit bending over backwards for him. There are 100s of other aspiring directors ready to fill his shoes given the chance.

cmmsml

An Extended Verion or Directors Cut have lost a lot of their meaning for me. It used to be that if a Directors Cut or extra footage was released, it was because the original theatrical release was cut down due to time constraints, disbute about the content or story betweeen director and producers, etc and you were getting the opportunity to watch the film as intended.

Now when movies are being made, they actually film scenes with no intention of actually including them in the theatrical release, but only to be included on the "unrated" or "extended" version of the DVD. In some of these "extended" versions that I've seen, its like they just picked up everything from the cutting room floor and put it back in with no real thought to if it actually was necessary. I watch them because thats all Netflix seems to carry, but I don't specifically seek them out unless its a movie where I think the extended directors cut would actually be an improvement.

corey3rd

everyone sees how much cash New Line made off Lord of the Rings with the regular DVD and then the extended DVD release.

I keep hoping that Sony will re-issue their vintage Godzilla titles with both the Japanese version and the AIP recuts on the flip side (since Sony now controls MGM's vault which includes AIP's material). I remember these Godzilla films with the freakish editing, new American songs and the dopey dubbing.

On the horizon is the mess that will be Malick's "The New World." The NY-LA cut was 2 hours and 15 minutes. The wide release print was only 2 hours and supposedly Malick has a 3 hour cut ready for a special edition DVD. Which one of these is the real movie?

CJ

"unfair and oddly slanted towards violent movies over anything with sexual content"

What are you talking about - it is the exact opposite. Anything dealing with sex that looks even remotely non-conservative Christan gets the NC-17 rating, or if the Studio is smart, no rating at all, while the most extreme violent, bloody films (Passion of Christ comes to mind) end up with R ratings.

I completely ignore the MPAA ratings, and instead read reviews, IMDB is good source, to determine the theatrical release rating based on my set of values. As for the DVD versions, I don't believe the MPAA even rates those do they? Most Bonus disks are unrated, anything that deviates from the theatrical release of a movie means not rated rating.

murphyslaw

"I do find it funny that Wal-Mart won't carry NC-17 films, but has no problem with an Unrated director's cut of an R-rated film."

It isn't funny or strange. I tis the same reason why blockbuster made that choice in its stores:

There are laws in many jusristictions which make providing NC-17 material a crime. There are civil and crminal risks that can be more severe than tobacco or alcohol sales issues.

Don't blame retalers for the laws. Online is different. you can buy triple xxx on line with a credit card without proof of age and the seller is not liable since the presumption is the buyer is 18, whereas with retail one mistep and you could have real problems.

NetflixShill

"The theatrical cut of Brazil was put out on DVD in 1998. Shame you didn't buy it then. But DVDs do go out of print."

I've read that the unrated cut is the only version on DVD. I've never found the 131-min cut in video stores or used shops. They all have the director's cut, with 11 minutes of boring footage which ruins the pacing. Directors are self-indulgent and lack taste. They need to step back from their work and take an honest look at it.

"I don't specifically seek them out unless its a movie where I think the extended directors cut would actually be an improvement."

I rented Where The Truth Lies from Netflix, because they have the Unrated Theatrical Cut. Video stores mostly have the R-Rated cut. I don't want to see a bunch of scrap footage from the cutting room floor that the director was too self- indulgent to cut. I want the best version possible at the time. Not a CGI-enhanced or revised version. We're losing our cultural history thanks to hacks like George Lucas who go back and revise their films. Leave the film alone, unless you're adding something that was cut due to censorship or studio interference.

NetflixShill

"the most extreme violent, bloody films (Passion of Christ comes to mind) end up with R ratings."

Movies have been threatened with NC-17 for violence. "Saw" and "Basic Instinct" come to mind. Movies have also been threatened with NC-17 for language - like "South Park: BLU" and "Clerks." But the MPAA usually ignores violence and goes after anything with sex. I think that's what the original poster was saying and you misinterpreted him.

corey3rd

Shill, you didn't look on amazon where they have at least 12 copies of the original US cut of Brazil for sale in the used section? This isn't 1985 where you have to hunt store to store and shelf to shelf to find something. How much effort did you really make to find a Universal cut of Brazil since I was able to answer your question in less than a minute. But it's easier to curse the darkness than Google an answer.

On top of it, the "director's cut" of Brazil is what the rest of the world saw. It's what I saw when we imported at 35mm print from England a few years back. This is not merely a case of scraps from the editing room being slapped into the feature.

NetflixShill

"you didn't look on amazon where they have at least 12 copies of the original US cut of Brazil for sale in the used section?"

Just because Amazon says it's the original version doesn't mean it is. Check DVD Compare. According to their site, which is more reliable, all Brazil DVDs are the Director's Cut or European Cut - despite what Amazon says. They don't even show a picture of the disc they say is the original version. Plus, I wouldn't buy a DVD that was non-anamorphic. Sorry. I have the import from the UK, which is anamorphic of the European Cut.

I have also read other places that the theatrical cut is not on DVD. Not just DVD Compare. If you've got the DVD and can say otherwise, I might listen. But don't tell me what some website like Amazon claims when their info is often unreliable.

"On top of it, the "director's cut" of Brazil is what the rest of the world saw."

The Director's Cut is *not* what the rest of the world saw. They saw the European Cut, which has numerous differences. See IMDB. The Dirctor's Cut was created by Terry Gilliam for the Criterion version and Universal DVD. It's not the same film that Americans or the rest of the world saw.

NetflixShill

It's also $56 or more on Amazon. And I bet it's the 142-min Director's Cut, despite what they say. I've seen the same box at Hollywood and Blockbuster, and it was the director's cut. They don't bother to keep track of which version is which. You can pay $56 for a non-anamorphic disc that is probably the same you would get at Hollywood or Blockbuster. I won't. I've done plenty of research to try and find the original version, it's like finding a needle in a hay stack. None of the seller's descriptions say it's the 131 minute USA theatrical cut. So assume that it isn't.

NetflixShill

"the "director's cut" of Brazil is what the rest of the world saw. It's what I saw when we imported at 35mm print from England a few years back."

The Criterion/Universal Director's Cut of Brazil combine footage from the USA and European versions. Like the cloud opening of the USA version, that is absent on the European Cut, is included in the new Director's Cut. The European Cut doesn't open with the song Brazil, for example. It goes right to the Central Services commercial, after some static and noise.

"This is not merely a case of scraps from the editing room being slapped into the feature."

That's your opinion, but I see you are ignorant of several facts. Having seen all three versions of the film - the USA cut, (on VHS), the Director's Cut (on Criterion DVD), and the European Cut (on DVD from Niche Flix) - I can say there are lots of scraps added that weaken the film's pace. None of the added scenes enhance the story at all. They're redundant and irrelevant. They also cut out some lines, like when Sam says "My God, it works" after seeing his mother's plastic surgery treatment, and when Jack Lint tells Sam "You look like you've seen a ghost."

The European version does not open with clouds or the song Brazil. It goes directly to the Central Services TV ad. That's a major change. I like the original USA cut. Shame on Terry Gilliam & George Lucas for giving us an adulterated version of the best movies they ever made.

corey3rd

now you're making excuses for why you didn't look at the original Universal release back in 99. And now you're just making excuses about "I won't buy anamorphic."

Super smart guy

Unrated > original cut always. You are pathetic fools and deserve no entertainment!

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