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JohnnyO

Sure - people in areas with poor Internet connectivity. Lots of areas still out there with very poor Internet connectivity across the US.

Willydearborn

Absolutely! I've been waiting for them to realize that some people actually prefer discs and Blu-ray quality over streaming. This is great news for a lot of people

Jv3030

yes this is what i been waiting for can't stand streaming about time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jv3030

I want to let you know i just called netfix and it is for new members only right now!!

Bob Shank

As a customer, a viewer and a NFLX investor I want to see the company get rid of their $700,000,000 DVD overhead ASAP. Let me say that again: ASAP. My feelings go out to those who, for some inconceivable reason, can't get live-streaming. Why? Can't figure that out. If you can send/receive e-mail, you can get live-streaming from Netflix at $7.99/month. All you have to do is buy a converter box for about $60 - ONE TIME CHARGE, NO FREAKING MONTHLY PAYMENTS! HAVE YOU GOT THAT? What's the freaking problem? Why would anyone in their right, average mind want to send/receive/wait-for DVDs a couple of times a week when you can get live-streaming movies, instantly, 24-7-365 at any hour of the day, one movie after another: 'pause', 'delete', 'forward', 'backward', 'chose another' 'STOP'...from your recliner for over 25,000 movies (and rapidly climbing, weekly, by the hundreds) on your television set with a remote controller - at $7.99/month - in your recliner??? Why would any cretin refuse that?

I can't wrap my mind around you people/aliens. Honest to God, where do you come from - Pittsburgh? Miami? Toledo? Sacramento? Anywhere in Nebraska, Arkansas or Butte, Montana? Sombody in Kansas with Toto?

Send me an e-mail and explain to me, in detail, why you either CAN'T get live-streaming, or, why you DON'T WANT live-streaming from Netflix. I'll be happy to respond.

~Zona Bob
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Get a grip, join the 21st Century. It's 2011.

Notovny

You can send and receive email at dialup speeds, or over cellular or satellite internet.

Dialup is way too slow to stream Netflix, and cellular and satellite tend to be slower than wireline, as well as having data caps that make streaming video extremely undesirable, and there are still many places in the US where the only option is one of those three.

Lucid129

Hey I'm from Toledo buddy and I love instant streaming way more then waiting for a freaking dvd to come in the mail.

~ Guy from Toledo who likes instant streaming.

moviegeek

I don't get it, why pay $2 less* and miss out on all the streaming content?

I could understand if this was a few years ago when all there was avalaible was online streaming but nowadays every CE device can stream Netflix.

* based on the one DVD out plan which I use.

Austin

Personally, I've enjoyed the streaming option, and believe the selection of titles is fairly comprehensive. Though a DVD only plan would likely appeal to lots of people interested in Netflix, I foresee the company continuing to move towards less physical DVDs and more streaming content.

I've been mulling this thought recently and I'm curious to hear what others have to say. In the future, I would very much like to see Netflix move towards a monthly plan that allows users to stream new DVD releases on the day the physical disc is available to rent or buy. Though legal wrangling will likely keep this idea a remote possibility for the foreseeable future, I would be willing to pay a higher dollar amount per month to have this availability (e.g. $20/month).

Brian Kohn

Until Netflix provides subtitles on practically all of their titles, supported on the devices I own, streaming is of no use to our family, with a hearing impaired member. I appreciate that we could get captions on our computer, but we have a big screen high definition television for watching television. No sense in us all trying to crowd around a small computer screen. And so far, there is no sign that subtitles support will be coming to any of the devices we have, a Samsung television, a Samsung BD player, and an Xbox 360.

anon

Bob-why do some people prefer disks over streaming?

Because you have a small population like my mother in law. She is bed bound in a nursing home. The nursing home doesn't provide wireless access to resident rooms. They offer basic cable for residents at $10 per room.

The nursing home insurance policy won't allow things like netflix converter boxes or dvd players to be installed to the tv's in the resident's room.

Even *if* she could get wi fi in her room or a netflix ready device-there is no way in hell she can figure out how to use it (she's a 78 year old bed bound woman that needs 3-4 people to help move her..) and a lap top? Screw that-she has enough issues figuring out the portable DVD player we got her to watch netflix DVD's on.

So we pay $10 for basic cable to her room and we have the 5 at a time plan for us and watch the disks and streaming.

My mother in law is on the one at a time plan for her-have to have a separate account/email addy for her in order for her disks to go to the nursing home she's at.

so that is one reason why, besides crappy internet service, why people would prefer disks over streaming.

BoB

@ Bob Shank...

"Send me an e-mail and explain to me, in detail, why you either CAN'T get live-streaming, or, why you DON'T WANT live-streaming from Netflix. I'll be happy to respond.

~Zona Bob
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Get a grip, join the 21st Century. It's 2011."

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Until NF can provide streaming of ALL 180,000+ titles available via DVD, then 20,000 titles of streaming is a joke and is a non-issue.

Streaming is fine IF NF and the studios would have ALL DVD titles (both movie and serials) available on streaming as they do currently with DVD/Blu-Ray.

Until streaming covers all releases, it's a niche for people taht only want new releases, popular titles or have no care for history.classic films.

"Tell me what to watch and I'll watch it!"

Robotskilledyou

I'd like to point out that most SD Instant content is GARBAGE-- Netflix doesn't set the framerate so some scenes are choppy and others are too smooth and look like home videos. All of the Steadicam footage in SD movies is noticeable smoother (higher framerate) than the other footage. Their SD movies might as well not even exist to me, so once I blow through the rest of my HD queue I'll be moving to this plan for a while.

moviegeek

There are some movies and many tv shows that are only available via streaming because they are not on disc yet so the extra $2 per month is worth it for me.

As was said earlier this price is only for new members who sign up for the one DVD out at a time plan, if you have a multi-disc plan with Blu-ray access then I don't understand why some of you are so happy with this new price. That's like leasing a Cadillac and complaining that Chevy's are cheaper.

James Heartney

I can understand people who prefer Blu-Ray quality etc. wanting disks, and I can sympathise with people who don't want to deal with the technical hassles of streaming. OTOH for us, I should think over 90% of the value of our Netflix membership comes from the streaming side.

As bandwidth capacity increases, I expect that much of the difference in quality between streams and disks will disappear. Eventually DVD's and Blu-Rays will go the way of the vinyl LP, i.e. not dead but relegated to a niche market. And just as well; it makes more sense to send bits to the consumer rather than disks, which use valuable resources to build, ship and store, and which eventually end up in landfills.

Brian Kohn
I have a deaf family member as well, and we are pretty frustrated at how long it's taking for our Roku's to support captions. The good news is our Wii and iPad already have captioning, and supposedly more devices are on the way. I'd guess your Xbox will be the first device to get captioning; the TV and BD player may never get them. We're keeping our fingers crossed here WRT the Rokus. (Occasionally I go and whinge on the Roku forums about when are they getting captions dammit.)

ncmacasl

@BrianKohn & @JamesHeartney - Netflix has promised subtitle support for Roku and XBox 360 by end of 2011.

New Samsung BluRay Players now support Neflix subtitles as well (ask for Netflix 3.0/HTML5 Support)

Zomg Pwn

Switch to decaf, Bob. Holy crap. It's called freedom of choice and everybody is different. I love streaming but guess what? My parents live in a place where they have to make do with a pitiful connection that is CAPPED. If they watch a YT vid their service gets cut for 24 hours. I'm happy for you that you are living in the lap of streaming luxury but you are still in the minority. Reality check. There is a DIGITAL DIVIDE in this nation and on the planet. One big reason is the kind of raging ignorance you are displaying. Stop talking down to people or classifying them as inferior because they either don't agree with you, have a different opinion or are just not as lucky as you to have unfettered access to a solid connection. Believe me, I have tried everything in my power to get my parents access but they are way, way out in the rural American wilderness. I guess you think people that live far from cities should be rounded up and put into camps because they are mentally deficient. lol. Then you could get them in one place and pipe in Netflix streaming access to them all at once. But they still wouldn't be able to watch whatever titles just got pulled due to a rights dispute or licensing issue. If you aren't a troll then you should chill out and educate yourself a little. That rant makes you sound like a half-informed buffoon.

Lonny

I pay less than 20 bucks a month, for two DVD's at a time with NO late fees and all the streaming I can eat. There is no better entertainment deal anywhere!!! DVD's for newer content, and streaming for an unbelievable library of great content that I never heard of.

In comparison..... For 25 bucks i took my family of 3 to see Cars 2 (No popcorn or drinks) at 10:30 in the morning in order to get an early bird price on the tickets.

What does anyone out there have to complain about?? Subtitles? Blu Ray? Surround Sound?? Get a grip people!!! I am the cheapest bastard around, and I am telling all of you quit your bitching, and enjoy the service Netflix provides while it lasts! If its too good to be true.... It probably is, and great deals like this do not last forever.

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Wow Bob. Try to be less of an asshole next time. "cretin"? Seriously?

I've had netflix streaming ever since it came to the xbox 360; streaming is what actually made me sign with Netflix in the first place despite my having the blockbuster online service that I've been pretty pleased with. I like DVDs... I like blu-rays more but I have 80 DVDs in my queue to watch and only 2 of these are available via instant streaming. In my instant queue, only 19 titles are available of the 54 titles currently in it.

The tivo netflix app sucks. The xbox and ps3 clients are good but when I power them on, I find myself doing things other than streaming netflix on them so I don't bother. I have no interest in watching movies on my ipad or iphone. With my use of the streaming so limited, I will probably take advantage of this offer and downgrade to the $8 plan.

Krystal Bacon

Streaming does suck atimes and espcially when I'm watching my fights L0L...and I love watching Doritos Commercials. Haha thanks.

RJM35126

Now that I have my Roku, I have no need for an low priced DVD only plan.

Im currently on the 3 at a time but after my gift subscription runs out, I will probably alternate down to 1-2 at a time plus the streaming.

Would be nice if they got instant streaming availibility of new releases but Im not sure thats going to happen anytime soon as its a big money maker for studios.

repdetect

DVD's only and no blu-rays. Well at least they are being honest about not providing blu-rays, unlike their dvd w-bluray plans where they charge you more for blu-rays they are unable to deliver.
No blurays makes this so called hi-tech company a bastion of Luddites.
Netflix does not or cannot reliably stream, and don't say it's my connection, I am on FIOS.
And as far as Bob Shank's email goes, as they say, there is no fool like an old fool.

Mark

This seems to be turning into a streaming vs rental discussion, which is too bad. I think it's fine that they are offering a rental only plan. Ironically, all plans used to be rental only, until they added streaming for "free" and raised prices to cover.
This plan, tho, is useless to me without a blu ray option.

That's why I rent, for the blu ray quality. Some people don't care or have a need for higher quality, so, stream away!

Steve Irving

I was on a 2 disc at a time plan and loved streaming through my PS3 on my 20mbps internet service. Even SD content looked great.

Then.....Netflix changed their user interface, turning the system into a nearly unusable piece of crap. My account has been on hold for about a month now, I miss getting the discs in the mail and watching movies on streaming. Although I hope they listen and make some changes, I don't see that happening so my account will end up being canceled. Using the new interface (for me) was aggravating and I couldn't see paying $17 a month to be aggravated.

I'll stick with my DirecTV Premier package, along with their VOD service on my DVR, as well as HBOGo and MaxGo........I was only using Netflix as a supplement anyway

James Heartney

@ncmacasl

I've heard the promises wrt subtitles for Roku; this time last year they were saying they have them by first quarter of 2011. I won't be the least surprised if January 2012 rolls around with still no subtitles.

Joesephina Machavelli

Take it from an insider, Netflix is about to announce another price increase. Couple that with the pending outsourcing of customer service and there is a lot of change coming before the fourth quarter.....

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@Bob Shank:

"Send me an e-mail and explain to me, in detail"

Why should anyone send you an email? What's the matter, Bob...can't you read comments? Shall I explain how to you how to do so? In detail?

Wow...what a dick.

There are a myriad of reasons why people can't or don't want to use streaming. Roughly 40% of US households don't have broadband: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10454133-94.html

And why, yes, it's technically possible to stream over 3G (which I use now), there's a whole lot of people who have no idea what 3G is or have access to it; and it's only been very recently that unlimited 3G started being offered. My account has a 3GB base, per month. If I did nothing else all month I could watch 1.5 movies. And not everyone wants to watch movies on their computer.

There are many, many more reasons I could list...in detail...but I doubt you'd understand. If you *are* "a stockholder", then you'd be HAPPY that Netflix isn't ignoring those 40% of US households, and trying to offer something for everyone, thereby spreading their user base.

Yes, sooner or later everyone *will* switch to streaming. Hopefully by then the Netflix will offer their ENTIRE library of movies via streaming, instead of what they offer now, which isn't much. In the meantime, by enticing people who aren't into streaming as customers by DVDs-by-mail seems like a very wise business move by Netflix.

Doug McIntyre

I prefer disks because less than 25% of the titles in my queue are even available for streaming, and the internet bandwidth I get here in the 12th largest metro area in the US gives me about VCR quality streaming with no surround audio.

Macro blocking is very prevalent. On movies that were obviously high-def before conversion, its particularly bad. Is that a cup he is holding, or maybe something bright?

There are also several times it takes more than 5 minutes to get into the Netflix streaming system, not sure what its doing then..

The children's shows are alright for my kidlets, but streaming is just so a nonstarter for me.

Ecksoa

Bob,

Seems if you, as a stockholder, have such a strong objection to the overhead Netflix has with their DVD library, mailing facilities, etc, that you really need to take this up with Netflix instead of the end user.

In the end, the executives make the call whether to keep investing in physical media or to do without it altogether.

Netflix started as a service that rents DVD by mail. Part of their lure was not just the ala carte system, but the extensive catalog of titles. Imagine someone who subscribed to the service for those reasons wanting to stick with it.

While Netflix is certainly evolving with the times, are they really at a point where they can stop video rental entirely and try to become an internet based pay movie/TV channel?

Anyone following just this blog can see the issues that Netflix has faces. Because studios also own cable networks and even cable provider services, the emergence of Netflix and Hulu streaming as an alternative to cable and satellite will naturally concern them.

Between talk of acing out Netflix of certain titles and cable providers wanting to throttle down internet usage, Netflix streaming is not the be-all, end-all for everyone.

Ellie Ze

Bob,

Speaking as someone who is currently on the Streaming-only plan, but occasionally switches back to 1-at-a-time, I can give a couple of reasons why someone would want discs as well:

1) There are virtually countless titles available on DVD but not streaming. Yes, if I poke around, I'm sure I'll always find an interesting alternative, but that's still a heck of a lot of media legally cut off from me. I'm not into many new releases, either, so Red Box isn't a viable alternative. A large breadth of selection is why I abandoned my local video stores in the first place. Furthermore, titles still expire all the time. In my case, I just got through Season 1 of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and got hooked, only to have the series expire. Now, I'm waiting impatiently, hoping it'll get renegotiated and turn up again so I can catch the second season. If not, I may upgrade to the 1-at-a-time plus streaming plan for a month or so so I can finish it. As annoying as expiring titles is, I'm glad the physical media option is still available to me, rather than being forced to shell out the money for the DVDs if I want to stay legal. Frankly, I do not believe this problem will ever totally be solved, that we'll have a one-stop service for instant access to any and all media we could possibly want. That simply is not in the best interests of the rights holders.

2). Sometimes, you might actually want the extra content on a physical DVD or Bluray. Yes, most of the time, it's garbage, and most won't be interested. But what about something like a Criterion disc, where the extras might really be of interest to the customer?

shthar

Congrats Bob!

You are our troll of the month!

Edward R Murrow

Wait, what? I want the coveted title of troll of the month, dammit! Can I at least be troll of the day?

Seriously, though - This could be the first step of a slight retreat by Netflix to it's roots of DVD by mail. That's their sweet spot that no competitor can match. Streaming on the other hand, there's plenty of competitors jumping in with both feet. Technically, it's not that difficult to do either so very few barriers to enter the streaming market. You just gotta pay for the media, unless you're HBO, etc. and you're the media creator.

Chad Milburn

To answer Zuna Bob's snoody response as to why the 'cretins' prefer physical media:

The obvious answer is the current broadband infrastructure doesn't allow for everyone to be streaming. Everything from broadband caps to just plain 'unreliable' ISPs.

The other reason is physical media is generally a film fan's preference. Streaming often offers subpar video, audio, a lack of subtitles and no supplemental material. DVD offers that in addition to 5.1 surround. Then you bring Blu-rays into the equation and it makes streaming look like VHS in comparison. Blu-ray offers full 1080p HD, 24fps, lossless audio, TrueHD, 7.1 surround, etc. that streaming lacks. If you've invested money in a home theater setup then you can appreciate those things. Streaming does not allow you to 'experience' the films and take advantage of your setup. Instant gratification is nice, but it's sometimes like taking two steps back in terms of quality.

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Bob Shank:

I am a Netflix stockholder too. I use DVDs primarily because:
1) I get the EXTRAS (commentaries, deleted scenes, etc.)
2) I get subtitles
3) I get a FAR better picture, even on regular DVDs
4) I can FF/rewind MUCH faster/more conveniently than I can with streaming

I actually have been using streaming lately, sometimes.. but nowhere near as much as I use DVDs.

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Steve Irving:
Forget that the Watch Instantly tab exists at all, and use:
http://movies.netflix.com/MemberHome?lnkctr=mhbwse

There's still the annoying slide left/right issues, but at least you get a better interface than the WI page.

Susan Benzer

I still much prefer discs over streaming. Why? The biggest issue is closed captioning and subtitles - very few of the streaming has this ability. I love streaming on Hulu - they have a lot more CC available.

Visual quality is frequently poor - cable internet is our only option and it's not fast. For whatever reason, Netflix is less forgiving than Hulu. And I swear that half the streaming is from videotapes, not DVD quality, let alone Blu-ray quality.

Lack of special feature access.

So streaming is fine for some things and I really hate that Netflix is pouring all its money into that instead of maintaining their DVD library. Almost one-third of my queue is now items that were moved to Saved because they won't buy more copies. Or can't because they are now out-of-print.


Steve Irving

I've seen the use of: http://movies.netflix.com/MemberHome?lnkctr=mhbwse mentioned, but haven't figured out how to use it in the Netflix app on my PS3.

I've only watched movies on one of my computers once....on halloween, out in the driveway while the Mrs and I were handing out candy to all the zombies in the neighborhood.

Netflix was experimenting with several interfaces for the PS3. About the same time everyone started bitching about the interface change, the same monstrosity showed up on my PS3. I think it would be OK if I was using an iPad......however, it's butt ugly on a 65" TV screen. Do you know how HUGE the 5 movie icons displayed are on a 65" screen....meh.

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