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CordCutter

Doesn't TWC do the same thing? You have to have an HD-DVR box to view HBO with these services. These blood sucking a-holes don't want you purchasing a 50 dollar Roku when they can charge you 10+ a month to "rent" their single-purposed proprietary crap boxes. Same with XBox, screw cable!

rjejr

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

I shed no tears for Reed.

JJ

Very odd he's complaining about his competitor not being available. Usually that's a good thing.

I'm guessing one of two things -

1 - (more likely) he's also worried about similar things happening to netflix as hbo go, and is hiding the concern by seeming magnanimous in talking about hbo go instead. It's kind of genius really, since it's slyly letting people know that hbo go is less availalbe.

2 - (less likely but still possible) maybe he's hoping for some kind of eventual hbo/netflix synergy and is trying to build goodwill with them.

One thing is for certain though - he's not just an hbo fan mad about it not being available. There is a reason to his public discussion and defense of a rival.

Lethargicj

I don't see why HBO GO is a threat to Netflix. The great thing about Netflix is that it offers an alternative to overpriced TV services. To get HBO GO you have to not only have cable or satellite but you also have to subscribe to HBO. Until HBO GO is it's own stand alone service like Netflix, it's not even competition much less a threat. And while it has some cool stuff to watch on there it's content is a drop in the bucket compared to what Netflix has available.

Shanshu73

as a comcast subscriber i fully agree with him. it's 20 bucks a month. it was 16 but they raised prices twice last year. we pay good money to watch hbo , let us use hbogo.

S

A self-serving and manipulative swipe at his competitors...

Esaul

Or maybe he's truly a fan of Game of Thrones and wants to watch it on HBO GO?

Jamie

No it's a swipe at Comcast. Remember Comcast has rolled out a Netflix competitor to its customers too. If they block HBO Go why couldn't they block Netflix too? He has a good point

TomFresh

How is this not censorship? If they blocked me from getting to a certain, completely legal, website on my computer they'd have all sorts of lawsuits. Why is it any different on an Xbox or Roku, it's still the same internet. I could understand if we were talking about illegal torrent sites, but this is honest content. HBO must be in on the racket or they would be up in arms themselves.

(S- You're an idiot. How is it a swipe at his competitors when he is freely admitting subscribing to not just HBO but Comcast as well? If you're gonna hold a grudge at least know what you're talking about)

Groggie

"as a comcast subscriber i fully agree with him. it's 20 bucks a month. it was 16 but they raised prices twice last year. we pay good money to watch hbo , let us use hbogo."

Agreed. My comcast bill is 240 bucks a month, and not only can I not use it on my Xbox, but the device that I can use it on (iPhone), it won't let you connect a video cable to watch it on TV.

If I could get the movie channels, I would cancel the rest of my service with comcast, except for their internet... The one thing Comcast does well is their internet.

"How is this not censorship? If they blocked me from getting to a certain, completely legal, website on my computer they'd have all sorts of lawsuits."

It's not censorship, because they aren't blocking a website or saying that you can't use it... If I was using comcast internet and had a username with a cable provider that wasn't comcast, I could use it on their internet service. Comcast is just stopping your account from being able to be authenticated on the Xbox.

Nathan

This is why we need a true Net Neutrality bill passed by Congress

Edward R Murrow

Reed, just like almost 1 million ex-Netflix customers did recently - if you don't like the terms and conditions then cancel. But for now, stop your whining, get off the estrogen, take some testosterone and man up! What a wuss.

Kale Barton

^^Actually, it's since been reported that last year's exodus numbered only around 400,000.

As for the clever dig at Comcast for granting preferential treatment to it's own service, clearly an attempt to drive home the unfairness of a gatekeeper favoring their own properties while erecting roadblocks that penalize customers when they choose to seek service from the companies of their choice not owned by the evil, tyrannical, mega conglomerate overload.

Judy_

Suddenlink has now rationed internet usage in my neighborhood to such a low level that I cannot even consider going back to Netflix streaming. I'll have to cut back even C-SPAN so I can't even watch Congress in action (nor the local state/city equivalent) And since the 10Mbps plan is all that is available in my neighborhood I can't pay for better service even if I could afford it. The cap is so small that if I had to pay the penalties for my usual usage my bill for internet service would triple. Basically we are expected to pay a MONTHLY fee for only 2.5 days of possible usage.

It's a monopoly and the powers that be can charge what they like. While they buy car elevators and travel by government or private jet (avoiding the TSA grope). Bah humbug!!!!!

I've unsubbed from most of my knitting and news vodcasts and set itunes to manual updates only. I have to somehow survive on 1.3GB/day until the time period resets the quota ... the internet DIET. We all love diets - not!

Streaming services in HD are totally a thing of the past where I live. If any candidate wants my vote this year this is the issue I will be noticing most. HDTV is also unavailable unless one buys cable - and almost none of my vodcasts are available on cable... most are simply women sharing knitting information from their homes and so are not on any commercial broadcasts. I'll miss them!

CordCutter

My brother has Suddenlink and currently doesn't have caps Judy. I read on a tech site a couple of months back they would be testing it in select markets, do the world a favor and complain daily to the them Judy. If enough people cancel/complain they will roll back the caps, like TWC did years ago when they tested them in Texas. BTW, what's your cap?

Judy_

I've complained to Suddenlink, the city council, my Senator, the newspaper. I hope lots of others do too.

To watch a city council meeting in my small town is a full day's quota. :(

Ditto for watching a state legislative hearing (the alternative is driving 160 miles to the capital, finding parking, etc.)

In an election year it is a form of discrimination and censorship. Actually in any year it is a form of discrimination and censorship.

They have slyly changed the pricing from speed to volume. An effective price increase of roughly 1500%. They make Scrooge look generous.

If we had any politicos worth their salt they would not get away with such behavior!

Judy_

P.S. I also just wrote to the governor.

We need net neutrality laws!!! Are you listening Congressmen???

Denise

Edward R Murrow, I'm afraid some undated, unsourced post containing the phrase "It is estimated that some 1 million customers left" isn't supporting data for your assertion.

I also like the sexism in your first comment. Only a woman would complain! Real men unsubscribe and stop their bitching! What does that make you, who posts constantly to criticize a company that hurt your fee-fees?

payday loans

Nice blog, I read the whole site.

Judy_

The cap on 10Mbps service or less is 150 GB.(About 5GB/day) They claim an average monthly usage per customer at 12 GB per month. [30cents per GB of quota]

LOL, I don't know anybody who would pay for the service who would use it so little. Certainly not if they have teens in the family or several computers in the home or for anyone who telecommutes during snowstorms or as part of their regular telecommuting schedule. Do you believe Suddenlink's stats?

If you have 10 to 20 Mbps the quota is 250GB and the average customer usage is said to be 22GB per month.[22cents per GB of quota]

Greater than 20 Mbps the quota is 350 GB and those customers have an assumed average usage of 95 GB per month. Such speeds are not available in this area at all. But 350GB is where the quota gets into my usage level. I have no idea how much this service costs per GB of quota.

The overage penalty is $10 per 50GB[20 cents per GB]. So that adds up pretty fast. But, if they really want to discourage usage to enable "fair" rationing and a "healthy internet" why do they give a per GB price break the more you use?

ROTFL - they really think we are dumb. A price increase by any other name is still a price increase. And this is a big one.

Anyway it is the death of Netflix and Hulu and many similar internet features if the practice becomes widespread.

I assume they want us customers to buy cable TV where the powers that be can control what we see. But I watch little TV(my TV was my mother's and is at least 30 years old - it resides in the guest room for guests who simply can't live without a TV and for news if there is a forest fire). When I had satellite service I still had nothing much to watch out of the 250 channels. Absolutely nothing was local news. Most of it, even the PHX or NYC news shows, is pretty dumbed down even when it isn't being politically manipulative. I cancelled when there was the runup to the war in Iraq - nothing but old war movies, John Wayne even.

Kale Barton

[quote]Netflix's latest earnings data, out Jan. 25, shows that its pricing move didn't hurt the company nearly as much as people thought. In the six months since the price increase, Netflix lost 405,000 domestic paid subscribers — not the 800,000 subscribers often touted, which included free subscribers trying the service out[unquote]
Harvard Business Review Jan 26, 2012
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2012/01/netflix_will_rebound_faster_th.html

Wbad

@Kale Barton. You are what we long term NF followers call a newby. NF Lost alot more more than 400,000. What is your source? "it's been reported" you say. People that make statements like that are morons. Back-up what you say. Name a source. If you have followed NF growth the past year (2011) you know the impact that their poor decisions have been on their customer base.

You are clueless on the impact of the bad press had on NF. How many customers would NF have today if they didn't make those bad decisions in the summer of 2011? Millions and NF knows this. You B.S.ers are everywhere on the net.

Wbad

Netflix had about 24 million customers in the summer (before the price increase) of 2011. Source: Netflix. How many do you think they have today Kale Barton? Go to NF investors page. They have not increased their total # of subscribers in about a year. What does that tell you about a company that was on "fire" over a year ago?

Americans don't like dictators (Reed Hasitngs).

Steve

I'm a Comcast customer, and just to be clear, I have full access to HBO content on my Xbox 360. Comcast has its own "Xfinity" app on the Xbox which allows me to see ALL my Comcast content in one app, including OnDemand from basic channels (ABC, Fox, etc), cable channels (Food Network, Discovery) and premium channels (HBO, Cinemax, Starz). I can search them all at once using this app, instead of switching from app to app for each channel to see what's available.

Perhaps Reed should do a little research. I can watch the Game of Thrones premier just fine, and then jump right over to Dexter, in one app.

Steve

Also, Reed, while we're complaining about the services various companies offer on different platforms... why can't the Netflix app on my iPhone and iPad manage my disc queue, only my instant queue?

Kale Barton

@wbad--how long have you visited hackingnetflix? They posted the Jan 4Q financials right here in January. Netflix gained new subscribers during forth quarter to cover the departing subs. A link to another article was posted in my second post-did you not see it?
Here's another to look over...
''Citigroup believes the company’s content acquisition costs will be about $1.8 billion this year, while promotional spending will stay at around $300 million. And for each 1 million subscribers Netflix is able to add to its current U.S. base of nearly 25 million, Citigroup thinks it will add $90 million in incremental profit to its bottom line.''
http://paidcontent.org/article/419-analyst-netflix-has-fully-recovered-from-its-quickster-debacle/


neuatomic

Yea Kale! Suck it, NF haters.

Edward R Murrow

Since this topic was first posted, I've been patiently waiting for someone else to notice this, but since nobody did here goes:

- If Netflix has such compelling content available for streaming, why does the CEO of Netflix subscribe to HBO and use HBO Go?
- Is it possible that even the CEO of Netflix isn't happy with the Netflix streaming catalog?

Shawn

@Steve HBO Go has far more content than Comcast has available in its HBO On Demand section.

Steve

@Shawn - Then I stand corrected and agree with Reed! Wish there was a delete button on these comments...

Judy_

For anyone interested in internet caps check out DSLReports.com to see what your ISP is plotting for you. Several other large companies are planning caps - especially in areas where they have a monopoly.

Edward R Murrow

Call me a capitalist, but when Comcast, AT&T and other providers take the risk, make a capital expenditure and build out their networks then they should reap the rewards. I see plenty of AT&T and Comcast trucks laying cable - haven't seen any Netflix trucks building out a network for their customers.

Do people really expect something for nothing?

sucram

"I'm a Comcast customer, and just to be clear, I have full access to HBO content on my Xbox 360. Comcast has its own "Xfinity" app on the Xbox which allows me to see ALL my Comcast content in one app, including OnDemand from basic channels (ABC, Fox, etc), cable channels (Food Network, Discovery) and premium channels (HBO, Cinemax, Starz). I can search them all at once using this app, instead of switching from app to app for each channel to see what's available.

Perhaps Reed should do a little research. I can watch the Game of Thrones premier just fine, and then jump right over to Dexter, in one app.
"

Steve's post is not quite correct. I checked out the Xfinity app on my Xbox this pas Friday and found it lacking. While there was HBO content you only got the current season. Not the previous seasons of shows. Several, like the Wire, only gave you the 3rd season. How useless is that. Perhaps worse is the quality of the streams. Definitely sub par compared to netflix. Comcast SD streams definitely look SD. Netflix, on the other hand has SD steams that seem to be DVD quality. Madmen and Breaking bad are a case in point. I don't expect to be using the Xfinity app too much even with more current movies available. The selection is not that good. A number of them were also available on Netflix. It is a severly hobbled offering.

CordCutter

Edward, in part YOU are laying that cable... and me, and sucram, and judy, and steve... all of us.

http://www.broadband.gov/

These ISPs are getting tens of millions in tax dollars to expand their networks, money once earmarked for telephone lines, that goal has been reached and is now being sent to ISPs to try and get high speed internet to everyone. Lets take tax dollars, then cap/censor how those folks can access completely legal and legitimate web services.

Del

I had a Netflix DVD account, but they did not want to send me DVD's for the same price.

Karma

Maybe Reed should watch My Name Is Earl.

CordCutter

Maybe you should get a life Del.

Edward R Murrow

@CordCutter - exactly how much in tax dollars are you saying that Comcast and AT&T received? Would you agree that the investment that AT&T and Comcast continue to make in their network build out is orders of magnitude greater than what they received in tax dollars?

Groggie

Comcast and AT&T aren't the only ones spending money to improve the internet. I read something a few weeks ago that was talking about how Netflix has helped fund many backbone improvements to the internet. So while Comcast and AT&T are improving the local internet service for the "last mile" (which is great), you have Netflix and their CDN provides improving the backbone (which is also great). In the end, the end user wins... except for the download caps, but that's a whole other story.

CordCutter

Edward, does that matter? Really does that matter to you? Whether they are taking 1 million or 1 dollar, if they are taking tax dollars to expand their network they immediately open themselves up to further critique and criticism.

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