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Rusty Ramrod

I agree about the 2 coupons. It allows me to get new releases rather than having them sit on "Long Wait" in my queue and typically there are not over 2 good movies released every month anyway. ;-)

Surprised they skipped SugarDVD.Com

Anyone ever try them?


I can only comment on Blockbuster and Netflix because those two are the only services I use. I've been a member of both for over a year now and by far Netflix out performs Blockbuster at least in the shipping department.

True, I get throttled by Netflix time to time, but even with the throttling, they still are faster than Blockbuster.

With Netflix, I send them my returns (to a DC only 30 minutes away, or sometimes upstate, but still within my state. It is rare for them to have me send back a DVD to an out of state DC). It takes 1-2 days for them to receive it. And my next selections take 1-3 days in shipping to me. (Quite often, I still get next day delivery, especially on DVDs sent to me on Thursdays and Fridays)

With Blockbuster, they force me to send my returns to an out of state DC (I live in Long Island, NY, and they make me send my returns to Worcester, MA) which takes 3 days. Then when they send me my next selections, its always 3-5 days shipping to me. USUALLY 4 days is the norm. The fastest BB ever sent me my DVDs was 2 days. And that was only because the DVDs were sent from a Blockbuster store (a few towns away)instead of a DC. In my more than one year with BB, this occured only three times so far.

Blockbuster:

Minus: Slower than Netflix in shipping (at least thats my experience. I understand that some peoples experience are the exact opposit: Blockbuster is faster than Netflix in shipping)

Plus: Makes you wait 3 days to report a DVD missing instead of 6 like at Netflix

Minus: Website is terrible. Netflix's website is much better.

Plus: Cheaper monthly fee than Netflix

Plus: Two free rentals coupons (thoguh I never use them. I'm just too lazy to go to the Blockbuster store. It defeats the purpose of having the DVDs mailed to me)

manuel

I'm interested in reading this article. I'm requesting a copy from a library in Bloomfield Hills, MI. I would like to point out Consumer Reports is non-profit agency:

"To maintain our independence and impartiality, CU accepts no outside advertising, no free test samples, and has no agenda other than the interests of consumers."

It's about time a neutral party gave an impartial review of Netflix.

"It is rare for [Netflix] to have me send back a DVD to an out of state DC"

I publish my rental statistics every month for Netflix, GreenCine, and Blockbuster. On average, I rent 36 DVDs per month. On average Netflix delivers 13.4 rentals per month compared to Blockbuster's 13.5. Currently, Blockbuster delivers more rentals than Netflix (at a cheaper price). I've become irritated at the fact Netflix's current trend is to deliver my rentals from across country. In fact, Netflix just sent a rental from Honolulu, Hawaii. Another rental spent 1 week in shipping coming from Houston TX. The majority of my rentals no longer come from my local Netflix distribution center in Lansing, MI.

Mike K

The review is really short -- it's 1.5 pages. I don't think it's up to Consumer Reports "review" standards -- it's in one of their journals called "Money Adviser."

There is a story about this review floating around and they declare Intelliflix as the winner, but I think they are taking liberties with the review. It's not clear who the winner was, but I think Blockbuster Online won after reading it.

Manuel, could you please disclose that the majority of movies you rent are Anime (which I watch from time to time) when you complain about long shipping delays. I have a theory about the low stocking quantities of Anime in Michigan, which means that you'll be getting movies from all over the place. No, I'm not picking on your choice of movies or apologizing for Netflix, but I think your focus on one genre, from a midwestern location, combined with your high volume, could be the cause of your delays (and I'm sure you're being throttled since you once said that you watch way more movies than I do). The shipment from Hawaii is pretty bizarre, tho (software glitch or the only copy of a movie?).

I also think it would be helpful to new visitors if you updated your home page to read:

"To Date: 24 Broken DVDs, 1 Fatally Scratched DVD, 5 Wrong DVDs, 0 Lost DVDs"

...out of more than 650 rentals (about the same percentage of broken or unplayable movies I get from Blockbuster).

You always seem so concerned about my integrity that I thought I would return the favor. ;-)

- Mike

"I've become irritated at the fact Netflix's current trend is to deliver my rentals from across country. In fact, Netflix just sent a rental from Honolulu, Hawaii"

I've never gotten a DVD from Hawaii. The furthest they ever came from, was from California. Which was recent. I rented out Office Space, and they sent me a copy from California on the 4th (I received it on the 7th), and had me send it back to California. Which I did on Monday the 9th. They didnt acknowledge getting it back untill Friday the 13th, yesterday)


Intelliflix makes you pay for disks lost in the mail.

Has any of the other services done this to anyone?

manuel

"Manuel, could you please disclose that the majority of movies you rent are Anime (which I watch from time to time) when you complain about long shipping delays."

Could you please e-mail me the text of the story? I've made the point clear I rent mostly anime. The fact is evidence demonstrates Netflix throttles (delays rentals) when GreenCine and Blockbuster don't. You can plug your rental data into TallRock.net and come up with the same findings:

http://www.manuelsweb.com/netflix/bb_vs_competition.htm#throttle

You're theory falls apart with this information. 24 broken rentals is still 24 broken rentals. GreenCine doesn't have this problem.

Charles

"In fact, Netflix just sent a rental from Honolulu, Hawaii. Another rental spent 1 week in shipping coming from Houston TX. The majority of my rentals no longer come from my local Netflix distribution center in Lansing, MI."

I live in Hawaii, and have gotten several discs from Lansing. One from Flushing, NY today. I've gotten a few from Worcester, MA, too.

Chad

Anyone ever try intelliflix? I hadn't even heard of them before I read this. I looked at their website. They offer annual subscriptions as well as monthly. $99 for a one year/3 out plan. Sounds interesting.

Mike K

Manuel: They faxed me the article and told me not to post the entire review. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to type it in for you. ;-)

You really should post the percentage of broken rentals by company. According to your site, Netflix had 3.8% "unplayable rentals" but Blockbuster had 5.2%! Shouldn't you post this on your entry page if you're a consumer advocate? Instead, visitors to your site see this huge number of broken rentals from Netflix (but you don't disclose the total rentals), when in fact they are better at shipping movies safely than Blockbuster.

Greencine has a more expensive envelope, but they only have one shipping center in California so they're really not an option for half the country. I would love for them to open a shipping center near me so I could fairly evaluate the service.

I still think your focus on Anime (more than 600 rentals!) means that you're now getting the single copies of rare movies that are at isolated shipping centers. That, combined with your high volume of rentals each month ("throttling"), has to be a big part of the speed at which you get movies.

Netflix can't be that bad since they recently passed the 4 million subscriber mark. Blockbuster should grow this year as well, especially since they are now marketing the online service in-store to their 32+ million customers (and shipping movies from 1,000 stores and 30 shipping centers).

It will be a very interesting year.

- Mike

Mike K

Chad: I'm going to post a request for info on Intelliflix from users.

I wrote about them before, but I wonder how the service is doing now.

- Mike

cubapatt

Intelliflix has been slow over the past few weeks. It seems like it has been taking longer and longer to get movies sent to me.

Has anyone else had any problems?

A couple of comments:

I'm in Florida and I received one disc from Hawaii about 4 months ago, but no others.

My son has a queue full of anime. Mine and my spouses are regular movies. His come from all around the country about 65% of the time while ours come from our local center about 90% of the time. I imagine netflix just doesn't have as many anime discs as the others (smaller target group), therefore the discs are always in transit somewhere around the country.

I too get better times with netflix than blockbuster but it used to be the other way around, seems to cycle every few months.

As far as the earlier poster that said "Currently, Blockbuster delivers more rentals than Netflix (at a cheaper price)", unless you are on a "special" rate plan, they changed their prices and are now the same as netflix.

peter

Manual stated:
..SNIP>...The fact is evidence demonstrates Netflix throttles (delays rentals) when GreenCine and Blockbuster don't.The fact is evidence demonstrates Netflix throttles (delays rentals) when GreenCine and Blockbuster don't...SNIP.

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That certainly wasn't our experience.

I signed up for Geencine late last year. With the throttling done by NF on my 8 p/m plan, we still go days w/o discs sometimes. We don't watch cable or broadcast TV so one of our main entertainments is watching DVDs.

I did a sample of around 100 DVDs from our NF Q, & noted that GC (GreenCine) only had about 60-70% of them. Not good, but I decided to try them anyway.

Their mailing center is in the same city as NF's & a 1 day mailing from us. After a couple of weeks went by, I mailed them back all 3 of their DVDs on a Monday. We also returned 3 NFs that day. We always send mail out at the post office itself. GC acknowledged receipt of 1 of the discs & sent another out that next day (tues). On Wed. they sent the 2nd disc out. The 3rd went out Thus.

NF on the other hand sent out 3 discs on the day they received ours, Tues. Note...NF never sends out movies to us on Mon. & sometimes not on Tues. either.

I told GC that I wasn't going to pay a higher price than NF for less selection (unless u count the porno they offer), & even more blatant throttling then done by NF.

Manual, I see that u get fewer discs from GC each month than from NF or BB.Are you sure that they don't throttle? I know they did in my case.

Cheers
Peter

Aaron

Consumer Reports Money Advisor is simply way off. The review seems to be primarily based on a monetary cost/benefit analysis instead of best service for the money you pay. And hand's down its netflix. Intelliflix has more titles at 60k? Maybe, but they only get there because they are willing to carry smut. Tells you something about the values of the people that run the company. I'll stick with NFX. And pleeeassee. No more whining about throttling.

"Intelliflix has more titles at 60k? Maybe, but they only get there because they are willing to carry smut."

Since they use retail mom&pop stores to ship, they can probably list any dvd made as available. SOMEBODY has to have one to rent.

"because they are willing to carry smut. Tells you something about the values of the people that run the company."

And just what is that? Maybe they (and millions of others) don't have the same beliefs as you but it doesn't mean they are pedephiles or doing anything immoral, corrupt or illegal.

It tells me they are willing to rent games and adult titles where NF will not. An attactive way to entice subscribers seeking more than what NF offers.

"Smut" ~ ~ Good Grief! Grow up!

Joe Grammar

What exactly is a "pedephile"? Just wondering.

manuel

"You really should post the percentage of broken rentals by company."

I do. How else would you know my percentages? The page in question is > 100 K. I don't want to make it any slower and I'm revising it as well. Thanks for trying to get me a copy of the article but I obtained it from the library today.

"Greencine has..., but they only have one shipping center in California so they're really not an option for half the country."

I average 9 rentals per month from GreenCine. Netflix claims most its customer rent between "2-11" DVDs per month. Where's the problem?

"I still think your focus on Anime...has to be a big part of the speed at which you get movies."

You completely ignored my statement. Netflix delays my rentals deliberately. I say it, Netflix says it. What else do you want?

"My son has a queue full of anime...therefore the discs are always in transit somewhere around the country."

This throttling technique is new. I've been a subscriber since 2003, most of my rentals came from Lansing, MI. Lately, my rentals have been coming from all over the country since Netflix announced they were throttling customers in this fashion.

"Manual, I see that u get fewer discs from GC each month than from NF or BB.Are you sure that they don't throttle? I know they did in my case."

Yes, I'm sure. Plug your rental history into TallRock.net. I'm sure you'll be surprised to find out Netflix was throttling you all the time and GreenCine wasn't. Remember, Netflix throttles 3 ways...1) They pretend they haven't received your rental. 2) They say they'll ship your rental today but recant and say it'll go out tomorrow or even later. 3) Throttling version 3.0--ship rentals from the farthest locations possible.

"No more whining about throttling."

No more shilling, please.

Mike K

Manuel,

I only know the details is because I bothered to read through pages and pages information on your site. A quick glance and I only see half of the story, such as the number of broken rentals. Out of how many? 660? 3.8% -- that's not so bad when you consider Blockbuster is much worse!

You're not going to add the percentages to the home page because this important additional information would make the page bigger? Text only takes up a few bytes. I guess your page load time is more important than misleading people. I bet anything that 3.8% is on par with the scratched rentals you get from a local video store (and we can't forget to add to your home page that Blockbuster has more broken/unplayable movies than Netflix). My local Blockbuster store has an expensive-looking professional machine for removing scratches from movies and games.

I look forward to the redesign. Since you've been making suggestions about my site for a long time, I think I have earned the right to make suggestions as well. ;-)

No one is discounting the fact that you are being throttled. I'm just saying that you keep complaining about Netflix and yet your metrics are based on one genre of movies. I'm assuming that Anime is one of the less-rented categories, with a smaller number of available copies, and thus they have the movies all over the country. You've rented more than 1,000 movies by mail, mostly anime, so you must be down to the one or two copies titles. They can't possibly put a copy of every movie in all 37 shipping centers, so some of your movies will have to come from another location.

I would like to see another set of metrics from someone with your volume and that has a much broader rental history.

BTW, I live in Connecticut (not Michigan). I can't believe I would get 9 movies per month from Greencine, even if I turned them around daily. I should probably sign up and see how long it takes to make the return trip.

- Mike

manuel

"I only know the details is because... that's not so bad when you consider Blockbuster is much worse!"

Much worse? You consider 1% much worse? I've complained about advertisements on your web site yet you haven't removed it. Allow me the freedom of publishing a web site as I see fit:

Here is a link to my latest post on unplayable rentals:

http://www.manuelsweb.com/netflixjournal6.shtml#decstats

"I bet anything that 3.8% is on par with the scratched rentals you get from a local video store"

Possibly, except online services do not provide you the option of an exchange without the loss of value. For example, I rent a movie for $2.00 down the street and find out it won't play. I go back in the store and get a replacement for free. Same scenario at Netflix: I lose the cost per rental as Netflix will only let me have 3 rentals out at a time REGARDLESS of reason.

"No one is discounting the fact that you are being throttled. I'm just saying ... based on one genre of movies"

You know what would be interesting? Use your pull at Netflix and pull up all the distribution centers where my rentals come from that way you can see for yourself the effects of Netflix's new throttling strategy. I can tell you myself--I used to look at the old distribution center codes that came on the return labels. There's a definite increase in the number of out of state rentals.

"BTW, I live in Connecticut (not Michigan). I can't believe I would get 9 movies per month from Greencine"

Michigan or Connecticut (zip 06811) it's still 3 days shipping according the USPS.

Mike K

Manuel,

You seem to be the only person that has a problem with the ads for Netflix, Blockbuster and now Peerflix on this site. Believe it or not, people actually sign up for Blockbuster, and Peerflix asked to advertise here. Just because you don't have ads on your site means that I have to remove them. This is a news site and many are ad-supported.

I do admire your unbiased approach to being a "consumer advocate:"

From a recent story you wrote: "Q: What would happen if greedy Reed Hastings was in charge of human lives? A: People would die." Nicely done.

This link on the main page of your site is interesting: "How To Get Revenge on Netflix." Surely you're linking to more "consumer advocates," eh?

I love your $100 bounty for Netflix employees to spill the beans. Any takers on this bribe?

You link to Michael S. Muegel's "Analysis" page and refer to it is as a "valuable resource," but neglect to mention that it's 3 years old and has barely been updated since. I've exchanged e-mails with him and he admits the data is old, but he doesn't want to update the page.

If anything, you need to remove the personal attacks against Reed Hastings (and me) when you update your Web site.

- Mike

manuel

"If anything, you need to remove the personal attacks against Reed Hastings (and me) when you update your Web site."

http://www.expertlaw.com/library/personal_injury/defamation.html#3

I guess we can sue each other and call it a draw. Don't think because you're rich I won't put up a fight. I certainly will.

"'How To Get Revenge on Netflix.' Surely you're linking to more 'consumer advocates,'"

That's the name of the article. Actually, it is a consumer advocacy document. Did you bother to read it?

Mike K

Manuel,

Heheh. You really think I would waste my time and sue you over the garbage you write about me on your site?

Nobody wins except the lawyers in cases like this (or class action lawsuits). It gets really expensive and takes up an incredible amount of time.

My point was that the personal attacks on your site make you lose all credibility. It was a housecleaning suggestion. I'm glad to see you've been worried enough about being sued to have read up on it.

You'll notice that I don't make personal attacks against you in my stories, however I'm a headliner in many of yours. I think I made a huge mistake by linking to your site (twice).

I notice that you didn't bother to respond most of my comments, such as the one about the mining disaster. Do you even realize how you sound? If you are that angry with Netflix, Reed Hastings, or even me -- I really suggest that you stop. It's consuming you. I've tried to diffuse the bad will that has grown between us, but you just continue to attack me -- even here on this site.

The "How to Get Revenge on Netflix" story is about consumer advocacy, but I'd title it "How to waste our government's time and resources." Netflix is not committing "white collar crime," worthy of a FTC investigation, etc. It'a a major time-waster for the people in these jobs and OUR TAX DOLLARS.

- Mike

Peter

Manual said:

SNIP...Plug your rental history into TallRock.net. I'm sure you'll be surprised to find out Netflix was throttling you all the time and GreenCine wasn't....

SNIP...Netflix throttles 3 ways...SNIP.. 3.0--ship rentals from the farthest locations possible.
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I have stated many times how NF throttles my 8 DVDs p/m account. That is why I've had to try other rental options to fill in the gap between delivery of movies. However, the blatant way in which GC did their throttling was obvious & doesn't require me to plug in the data into any calculator. If my experience doesn't prove that GC throttles, I don't know what it would take.

Manual, if you don't think GC throttles, how do u account for the fewer DVDs per month (as opposed to NF & BB)that u receive from them?

I have to disagree with your suspicion that one of the ways NF throttles is by sending discs from far away locations. That makes no business sense what so ever. Although I occasionally (probably around 3-5% of the time) get return envelopes from other than my closest location, I think it's because they've had to ship that title from a location that in fact had the title in stock.

From a business perspective, what would be the advantage for NF to throttle you by shipping from a remote location? Yes, they would still be delaying you receiving the title, but the disc would also be unavailable to anybody else since it would be spending this extended time in transit. We've all established that NF throttles (we are kind of beating the dead horse here) but I don't believe sending discs from other locations is one of their means of doing so.

Note...after dropping GC, I'm into the 2nd week of my BB test. I'm trying their free month & will stay with them in order to supplement NF. Too soon to report my experiences however.

Cheers
Peter

manuel

"I have to disagree...by sending discs from far away locations. That makes no business sense what so ever."

If your rentals are tied up in shipping you can't return them and rent more thus Netflix saves money on shipping.

"but the disc would also be unavailable to anybody else since it would be spending this extended time in transit."

For new releases the solution is different. Simply prevent the "heavy" subscriber from getting it by placing it on a long wait. However, if they have plenty of copies for everyone then they throttle the subscriber by tying up their rentals in shipping. Both these circumstances are mentioned in the Terms of Use:

"we give priority to those members who receive the fewest DVDs through our service."

"As a result, those subscribers who receive the most movies may experience that...(ii) delivery takes longer, as the shipments may not be processed from their local distribution center"

peter

Manual stated:

SNIP...
"As a result, those subscribers who receive the most movies may experience that...(ii) delivery takes longer, as the shipments may not be processed from their local distribution center"

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That statement (I'm assuming u got it from NF's terms of service) does lend credence to u'r assertion regarding that method of throttling. NF doesn't seem to be doing it this way to my account however.

GreenCine's way of throttling was so transparent that I felt compelled to immediately vote with my dollars & drop them.

Cheers

manuel

"GreenCine's way of throttling was so transparent"

I've used GreenCine for over a year with no such experience. I've documented my usage as well:

http://www.manuelsweb.com/netflixjournal6.shtml#gc1year

anyway back to the consumer reports analysis. I have to agree with it. seems very well done.

I used to recommend Netflix but about six months ago I started recommending Blockbuster online.

peter

Manual said:
I've used GreenCine for over a year with no such experience.....SNIP
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In case u haven't tried it yet, mail back all 3 movies on the same day & let us know if GC does the same thing as with me. IE, send out 1 DVD the day of their receipt of the 3, one the next day & the last on the 3rd day.

Cheers

manuel

"mail back all 3 movies on the same day & let us know if GC does the same thing as with me"

Here's an easy way to find out if GreenCine, Netflix, ect., are throttling you as you claim: 1) Compare the shipped and received dates in your rental history. 2) Do you have just as many shipped and received rentals on any given day? You should.

Netflix is notorious for not shipping movies out the same day they receive one--it's called throttling.

NetFlix almost always ships my movies same day, except when they come from a distant distribution center.

peter

Manual stated:

Here's an easy way to find out if GreenCine, Netflix, ect., are throttling you as you claim...SNIP
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Afraid u'r not paying attention ol' boy...I've already proven that GC throttles & that's why I dropped them.

There are numerous posts online about how GC delays their shipments.

I've asked u several times but u haven't answered, how do u account for the far fewer DVDs u get p/m from GC then from NF & BB?

You seem to believe that NF shills post here, I don't want others to think u might be guilty of filling that role for GC.

Cheers

manuel

"I've asked u several times but u haven't answered"

You seem incredibly dense. My reason for receiving less rentals from GreenCine involves distance:

http://www.manuelsweb.com/netflixjournal6.shtml#gc1year

I've documented my experience with GreenCine. Have you? Are you able to show me your GreenCine history as well? Support your position by substantiating your claims.

Don't bother. We've been through this before, several times. If your rental history doesn't support his agenda, he'll just claim you fabricated it. There's not much point in talking to him at all.

peter

Manual in his infinite wisdom proclaimed:

You seem incredibly dense..SNIP.
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I do apologize.I obviously had no idea of the magnitude of u'r.... ego..... & utter lack of social & communication skills, I might add.

This will be the last interaction I have with any of u'r posts.

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anonymous said:

SNIP...There's not much point in talking to him at all.
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Thanks for the info.

I happened along here a couple of weeks ago & other than the few trolls, (who appear to be headed for the deletion file) have enjoyed the discourse. It has been my experience in communicating online that the legitimacy of a poster's beliefs is inversely proportioned to their rudeness or use of personal attacks.

I do hope this site moves to a registration model & allows one to use an "ignore" function...guess who'll be on my list?

Cheers All

"You seem incredibly dense. My reason for receiving less rentals from GreenCine involves distance:"

Yet you claim NF ships you discs from distant centers (hawaii). Therefors, distance should not be a factor as you are getting ALL discs from distant centers anyway.

You can't have it both ways. You can't manipulate the data to fit your needs. (wait, you DO that now anyway). You withhold data on your own site concerning BB & GC so that NF looks much worse than the other 2.

Also, that tallrock calculator is shit as well. I'm the guy that gets 40 discs average on the 6-out plan and yet when I plug my data into that calculator it says I am throttled. Say what?!

I seem to be able to pull 15 more discs a month than most on average yet I'm still throttled according to that so-called calculator. Even I don't believe that!

manuel

"You can't have it both ways. You can't manipulate the data to fit your needs."

You're overlooking the obvious. GreenCine has only one distribution center--They ship from San Francisco out of necessity. Netflix ships from distant distribution centers out of profit per their Terms of Use:

"As a result, those subscribers who receive the most movies may experience that...(ii) delivery takes longer, as the shipments may not be processed from their local distribution center"

"You withhold data on your own site concerning BB & GC"

What is the data you claim I withhold?

"You're overlooking the obvious. GreenCine has only one distribution center--They ship from San Francisco out of necessity. Netflix ships from distant distribution centers out of profit per their Terms of Use:"

I'm overlooking nothing! Even with distant shipping, you still get more discs with NF, therefore a better deal for your $. You bitch that they ship from far away - so what?! Where do they even promise they ship from the closest center? They say they "try" but there has never been a guarantee of that. You still get similar service. I order from Amazon and get shipments from NJ, TX & CA. I hope I get the closest shipping point but I never know - neither do you.

"What is the data you claim I withhold?"

Your mainpage States "To Date: 24 Broken DVDs, 1 Fatally Scratched DVD, 5 Wrong DVDs, 0 Lost DVDs" you received but you don't say it is out of 700 discs. Oh sure, you BURY the full data deep on your website and when you actuall find it and look at it, you see that NF has a lower % of unplayable discs (3.6) as compared to BB at 4.7%


What, no follow-up comment on the piece of shit Tallrock calculator? Its designed to show throttling even when there cannot be any. I'm called a shill because I say I get 40 discs per month on the 6-out, yet that site says I'm being throttled! Yeah right!

I don;t agree with everything Manuel has to say, but I do not he showed throttling at a time many here were deniying it was happneing. several here, quite laughably said it was not possible, and that employing people to count DVDS and pull out rentals of heavy user customers so they were delayed would be a wast of time for Netflix (ignoring that Netflix needed about $1.47 worth of computer code to do this).

So given that people like Manuel went through about a year of endless denegrating for noting what was the blantent observable fact of throttling before netflix admitted it and it sunk in he was right, I give him a lot of slack.

Last we have peoplr criticizing him on this comment thread who say they get 40 disks per month on a 6-out plan.
Since that is obviously an immense crock (you would be limited to 24 after the first two nonths as everyone KNOWS), it draws the credibility of some of Manuel's critics into a problem area.

Are we forgetting that most of Manuels thesis has been long supported by slashdot? Are we forgetting that both gross throttling and loss of new release priority for older customers does in fact occur?

No one likes the messenger with the bad news, that is a 2500 year old observation.

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