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corey3rd

only 50 a year on average? I average about 25 DVDs from Netflix each month. And I receive about 100 a year for the collection. That means that 7 people don't watch DVDs because I'm picking up their slack.

Mr. Nethead

Yeah, only 50? I think they surveyed the wrong group of people. I watch at least 30 DVDs per month. I know I'm not the only one...

corey3rd

well some of us have to make up for the Amish.

XVarX

Fifty DVDs a year is actually on the high side of what I would have expected. I imagine that in many rural areas, you don't necessarily have a lot of Blockbusters or small rental operations to pick up DVDs.

Or some people just aren't all that into movies, choosing instead to utilize their free time with less sedentary activities. Perhaps they just read more, exercise, garden, etc. Others might find they prefer the theater experience, rather than being limited to a small screen at home. Or perhaps they invest so much in cable / satellite, along with pay per view, that the movies they watch are whatever they can get from those respective services.

Still, at fifty DVDs a year, that means people actually find one DVD almost every week of the year to watch. That's still quite a bit considering there are people that just don't make the time to watch a movie every week.

Hunter McDaniel

At one point I remember reading that the average NETFLIX subscriber only rents 7 discs a month, which would be 84 per year. And I have to believe that Netflix users as a group watch more DVDs than non-subscribers.

So given that, a nationwide average of 50 per year does not sound like an underestimate.

Tester

Let's not forget that they are including ALL Americans that means infants, people who are blind and others who are incapable, for whatever reason(s), of watching DVDs. If we look at it on a much smaller scale, for example, we can see how it works. If we take a family of four, a husband, wife and two infants. If the husband and wife watch a total of 20 movies a month that comes out to 240 a year. However, that averages out to 60 movies per year per person since there are four people in the house.

WeaselBuddha

Jeez, could, I like, you know, suggest something before, don't want to be a killjoy, or a pain in the ass. But really, you might just want to READ THE SOURCE ARTICLE before spouting.

Article states, on average, people between 18-24 average 88 movies on DVD. Overall average is 50.

East Coasters watch more DVDs, West Coasters see more movies in theaters.

If the figures are correct ( have to check how the poll was done, sample size, etc ) you can see why throttling isn't a huge issue to most Netflix Subscribers.

Tester

'you can see why throttling isn't a huge issue to most Netflix Subscribers."

I don't know why you mentioned throttling here since we were speaking about averages but since you did I have to mention that the throttling situation was large enough that Netflix was taken to court over it and the judge(s) allowed it to go forward despite the lawyers for Netflix rasing numerous objections. In addition the state of New York has either already passed or is trying to pass a "throttling" law aimed at the Netflix "Unlimited Rentals" statement.

WeaselBuddha

Frustration, Visible.

Look, where did I say Throttling wasn't an issue? I am well aware of the settlement ( I opted out ), I am well aware of the practice. I quit Netflix over throttling.

I said to most users it isn't an issue, most users, as someone pointed out, tends not to include the readership here.

If the average purported by the survey is correct, 50 would be around 6-8 per month, throttling as reported by several metrics sites, doesn't impact the 6-8/month users. *This is how the issue of throttling relates to average DVDs watched.*

Additionally, several Netflix mouthpeices have stated that throttling is not an issue for their average users. This might begin to explain why.

More significantly, and more plainly, this is *not* a big issue for Netflix. If it was they would do something about it. Their customer satisfaction numbers would not be high. And they would not be growing their customer base. All of which has been widely reported here and elsewhere. They have gotten bad press on the issue, and still have not made a public change in policy.

I think it an issue, I voted with my feet and dollars, have you? Do I think the average netflix user thinks it a big issue, guess not, they are growing not getting smaller.


Shooting from the hip doesn't help. Think, consider, research who made the statement - I have numerous post here speaking out about throttling and other policies - AND then post would be my recommendation.

I've also pointed out that throttling is not as simple as it appears on the surface. These folks ( netflix ) have people that think about it all day, every work day, I'd be willing to bet ( see previous post about Disney ). Your several minute or even several hour revery about the issue doesn't even start to scratch the surface.

NetflixShill

"throttling is not as simple as it appears on the surface. These folks have people that think about it all day, every work day, I'd be willing to bet. Your several minute or even several hour revery about the issue doesn't even start to scratch the surface."

You underestimate yourself and others, while overestimating Netflix. They can think about it all they want, they are not going to come up with anything that the average person can not figure out in 15 minutes, and smart ones would realize instantly. It's not like we're talking quantum physics here. We have a very good idea how throttling works. We might not know exact details, but we have information from the company, ourselves, and each other.

We knew Netflix was throttling, before they even admitted the fact. We know their tricks because somebody reports it. Like how discs tend to "disappear" if you report them being scratched, damaged, or mis-labeled. Then you have to report them as "lost." This obvious ploy lets them delay returns as long as they possibly can. Plus, they can also terminate your membership for reporting too many discs lost. Great way to get rid of the people you don't like. Dozens of people already noticed and reported this pattern. What do you think Netflix will do but deny it? Only, they have lost all of their credibility by denying the accusations of throttling.

NetflixShill

Case in point: The studios have people night and day working up ways to protect DVDs. But all of their protections have been defeated, and are defeated, before they even release a DVD that uses it. HD-DVD and BluRay are not hack-proof, either. The only way to make DVD hack-proof would be to have the player phone home, and link every single copy to a single machine. It doesn't matter how much Netflix "thinks" about the issue. Anything they come up with can be figured out much more easily.

hrsd

I get between 25-27 movies a month thro' blockbuster.

WeaselBuddha

Shill,

Again with the knee jerk reaction. Guess you told me. Everything is knowable, understandable to its' deepest nuance, within 15 minutes. Wowser.

Imagine Stephen Hawking's surprise, his life has been wasted. I suggest you let him know at [email protected] - you could have figured it all out in 15 minutes!


WeaselBuddha


Hate to repeat myself, I did consulting to Disney for awhile. While there, under some of the most stringent NDAs I've seen, I saw a group that had pressed forward the frontier human queueing theory. That group had several world class mathematical modelers and several industrial psychologists. What they understood about queueing I couldn't come up with in a life time of work sitting behind the posting page of HackingNetflix.com.

The arrogance of your claim to having figured out the ins and outs of throttling is equivalent to claiming you've figured out gravitational orbital dynamics, by seeing the sun rise and set everyday. The phenotype is not the genotype.

Ever notice that the front surface of a modern elevator door is generally shiney? Know why?

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