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I just want the closed captioning. Some of the audio encodings are terrible. And since there is no way to easily/quickly rewind a few seconds, this would help a lot.


I'm fine with the current 720p HD streams, but I'd love to finally have 5.1 audio.


Let's put it this way -- although HD streaming is important to me (especially on computers themselves instead of only over devices), it isn't a dealbreaker. I'm more concerned with Netflix expanding their library of streaming videos -- I don't mind having to watch a movie in SD as long as I have a good selection to choose from.

Tom Miller

5.1 audio please!

Art Zemon

I use a PS3 to run a projector so the image I see is *big*. Given a choice between two movies, one in HD and one in standard def, I always choose the HD because the picture is so much better. My second pipe dream is to have 5.1 sound on all movies.

Jacob Neff

1080P is a must. If I have a choice between streaming in 720P, much less standard def, and getting a Blu-ray, I'll get the Blu-ray every time.


I don't expect HD in streaming from Netflix at this point. And as most American consumers have craptastically slow broadband, I can see why they are being measured in its roll out.


720p or 1080p is a red herring. It's picture quality that matters, and PQ is all about bitrate. When I watch a blu-ray disc, I see it has a bitrate of over 30 MegaBits per second, more when there's a lot of action on the screen.

Even OTA I get an average of 16-18 Megabits/s, and that's for 720p and 1080i.

How is Netflix going to deliver that when so few people have broadband that can deliver those speeds?


5.1 audio is on my wishlist. I have a question though - perhaps you know the answer? We have had a mac mini for a while and watched netflix through that on our old HDTV. We recently got a new Sony TV with Netflix built in. We think the picture quality is much superior than when we use the mac mini (whose display is set to 1080p as well) Both are connected via la cable.

IS the Sony streaming somehow done in a better resolution than the mac mini?

Fred Fredrickson

5.1 sounds good.. but I'm far more interested in a growing library. Netflix can't keep up with my viewing habits! (And I'm really dying for those new DR WHO movies!! HURRRRYY!!)

John Dover

CC is really important to some members of my family, as well as ADA, so I hope that part comes through on all devices.


720 is fine for now. Bring on 6 channel audio please!!!!


There's no 1000 movie advantage, those movies are still available in SD, or I'd never be able to watch them on my SD TV. I imagine the Wii program is going to pull down the SD version (which we know they have for streaming purposes) instead of the HD one.


Closed Captioning FTW!

Chris O.

I find 720 to be pretty darn nice on my 42" TV. 5.1 surround sound would be nice but not a must for me. CC would be a very nice feature for my hard of hearing friends.


@Susan - Yes, Netflix-enabled devices (TVs, Bluray players, Roku boxes, etc.) can access streams at HD resolution (720p), whereas the computer-based streaming is only at standard resolution (480p). So even on your old HDTV something like a Roku box streaming Netflix would look much better than the Mac mini output.



1) closed captions
2) 5.1 audio
3) 1080
4) more movies!


720p is the highest res set I own (bigger than 24", where I'd never even think about seeing a difference). I'd be fine with that, if they actually enabled it on computers. Why the hell can't I stream HD through my laptop?


720p is fine for me. Bring CC now.

1080p will require a large a mount of data transfer and with Comcast capping it to a 250gb a month i don’t think i can be streaming 1080 for long before i get kicked out. In addition, the difference between 720 and 1080 is not really that much. To me is better for Netflix to concentrate their efforts on getting more content in 720 than spend recourses on 1080 capabilities that few could use due to ISP caps and transfer rates.


I find it very disturbing that we are having a discussion on the availability of a 1080p stream when there isn't even a single HD steam available to the PC. Then again maybe the PC isn't up to the task.


Glad to see that Netflix is finally providing fair accommodation to the disabled.


The importance of this discussion is that we now know that streaming kills DVDs. It happened in Korea in 2007. The management of NetFlix understands this very well. They have profitable business based on a technology that is just about to crash. They deny it of course so as not to hasten the process but they realize that the future is in streaming.

What will the be the final configuration? 1080p and Dolby 5.1. All the lower data rates configurations will be by passed but very high data rate services like 4k video and 7.1 will probably be judged as too much for home viewing. But of course I could be wrong.

Currently the NetFlix/Roku 720p streaming service produces a superior picture to that of the 480i DVD, just as you would expect. Blu-ray at 1080p is a little bit better yet but clearly we are in the area of diminishing returns. Most viewers wouldn't miss much if the Roku streams stayed at 720 but the marketing emphasis on "Real" HD means that buyers will insist on 1080.

Currently I have a 5.1 speaker set up. I know I could upgrade to 7.1 but of course I could go with 7.2 or 9.2 also. Here too there is a serious diminishing returns effect. Some movie theaters have twenty or more speakers but my HT is in my den (third bedroom) which just isn't big enough for all those speakers. Even theaters with dozens of speakers only a few sound channels.

Resolution and number of speakers have gone about as far as they can go, but there are still plenty of other areas where improvements can be made. Closed captioning is one but so is 3D.

I am currently predicting that next year's Super Bowl will be broadcast in 3D - blame Jim Cameron.

The integration of Web content with the movie stream is another obvious area where streaming can see improvement.

Finally we should see much more user interaction with the movie stream. Up until now we have been presented only with the cuts and the camera angles that the director chose. With object oriented movies all that will change.

Frank Fujita

Can someone confirm or deny that these streams are running at 30fps? The picture looks very "jerky" to me -- and I'm wondering if it's because they're running at 20 or 16 fps.



Moderately important, as well as 5.1 sound. Why stream in 720p stereo when you can rent the DVD to get a better picture and sound? 1080p/5.1 streaming would go a long way to convincing me to give up DVDs (as well as bonus features and more titles). Until then, my streaming viewing is limited to the occasional specifically-chosen 2.0 stereo films during gaps in DVD deliveries - and only reluctantly because then I miss the bonus features.


Priority order for me: (1) 5.1/7.1 [relying on DPL II for now], (2) 1080p, (3) CC/subtitles for English, (4) expand streaming selection to more (older) DVD-only releases. I'm willing to pay another $2/each of these.

Currently I prefer Blu-ray > HD stream > DVD (better sound but costs 1 queue spot) ~ SD stream.

Interestingly enough, SD on PC looks better than SD on PS3 (I have compared Crash Season 1).
@PatB: I agree with most of your sentiments. However, we aren't ready for 3D TV yet (give it 5-10 years). According to avsforum, current implementation of 3D is lacking (there're 4 distinct technologies BTW, and better ones require special glasses and TV sets -- whereas color shifting destroys the palette). Obviously market penetration and content availability of 3D will go hand-in-hand.

As far as 3D object-oriented free camera shows -- are you aware of story-telling capabilities of interactive media such as PC and console video games? It's already there (can do variation on machinima). The thing is, Kubrick's camera cuts are way better than anything a viewer might do.
@Rigel: you are correct that DVD's generally have better sound but incorrect about video. DVD's vary between 480i to 576p, below 720p.


1080p would be nice, but until they start streaming new releases (Ha!) isn't essential to me. A much bigger issue for me is not having to wait 1-2+ months to get Blu-ray discs (4 months now and The Children is still a Long Wait).


I just dont want to put a disc in my PS3 when I want to stream a Netflix movie! :)

William C Bonner

I know that I've gotten plenty of movies on DVD instead of streaming because I prefer the full surround sound effects. Going to 5.1 surround sound is more important to m than going to higher video definition.

The only thing that I'd hope for more than 5.1 sound is a bigger library of films.


Don't forget that a lot of ISP's have bandwidth limitations. 40GB is somewhere around 9 hours of HD. I think mine is about 250GB, so about 56 hours of HD viewing per month, plus all the regular internet usage. Obviously I wouldn't expect to go over that but other people have much lower limitations than that.


1080P is a dream. I just want more HD streaming programming available in the current format. What's there right now is rather underwhelming, particularly considering how many of the HD movies suck regardless of the format they are available in...


I am just amazed at humanity that while people are losing their jobs, homes the natural disasters such as the one in Haiti right now and you people are complaining about streaming in 1080? We should be very thankful for the ease and selection of 17K titles whether or not the greatest titles it is way more then other people have right now. Put it in perspective people and quit being babies.

Pendejo sin nombre

I was wondering why that long-winded boring-assed post was coming off as such a pretentious piece of blowhard crap before I realized it was a PatB Masterpiece.

"Object oriented movies"? Are you fucking insane?

Repeat after me:

Anything that DOES require audience participation is merely ENTERTAINMENT. Now, that's not to say you can't elevate it to the level of an art FORM, but at the end of the day it's still just entertainment. Long after the 3D hoopla has died off, the real lesson learnt (and subsequently demanded of Hollywood by the movie-going populace) from Avatar will be that of seamless integration between that which is real and tangible - actors and emotions - and that which isn't - CGI created worlds. Avatar, despite being horribly acted, written and directed, will mark the turning point where filmmakers can, with a large enough (and coming down in dollars by the movie) budget, create a world that previously could only exist in their head. Now just wait until some REAL stories are told with this technology!

Now, therein lies the relationship between the two, as well. Entertainment funds art; art moves people; moved people demand better entertainment; cycle repeats. Leonardo da Vinci knew that better than almost anybody and he knew it 550 years ago. What's your excuse, supposedly educated and cultured modern man? Or is all you care about the technology behind the curtain and not the soul on stage?

So fuck right off, you self-important twat.


Can't watch SD content on a large tv, it looks horrible. The HD content is better but still far from HD cable feeds/on demand and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as blu-ray. They should label it HD-lite since it's still highly compressed with looks like it has a lower frame rate.

They don't just need more HD content, they need better HD content.


it would be nice to have since my PS3 & projector don't seem to want to automaticly switch down to 720p, but it's not a huge deal since i feel i'd still want the blu ray for those big action movies. maybe when fiber rolls to more places it will work, but now i have my doubts.

what i would like though is for the PC streaming to improve (aka go back to how it was) and look near DVD quality and not so blocky and blah.


5.1 audio would be great if it works with my Pioneer receiver.

Right now I have 0.0 audio due to some unknown incompatibility between the current Netflix audio format and my Pioneer receiver, and thus I can't use streaming at all.


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Not even with analog cables?


We aren't ready for 3D TV yet... @Cassin

Speak for yourself, sir.


Contrary to popular Tweets and retweets, 1080p is not coming to Netflix and is not in Netflix development plans. http://twurl.nl/fexwzk


My wishlist:
1. More 720p movies.
2. More movies for streaming.
3. 5.1 audio.
65. 1080p
66. CC

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