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Chuck

I don't think so: the nature of the people who would download this movie will download regardless of any DVD Window.

BoB

I think it will a little bit. There are still the ones that will download it "because that is what they do"; the ones that will never download what they don't like...

and the ones that just want to see it so instead of waiting 28 days, will just grab a copy and watch it earlier. A lost rental revenue because of the 28 day delay.

Derik

In a word: Yes.

In more than a word: The moment you make it far easier and way less cost prohibitive to pirate movies, the choice becomes clear. Netflix having on time New Releases gave lazy, cheap people a legitimate option to watch new movies.

Does anyone really think that after going years without having to leave their house or pay more than their normal Netflix subscription fee, that suddenly leaving the house to pay exorbitant prices is going to beat out three clicks for free?

Movie companies need a reality check.

Dusty T

I will admit it. I used usenet to get Sherlock Holmes. I wanted to see it Redbox didn't have it Netflix didn't and Blockbuster was gone......so yea.....it could increase. Will it grow in a huge number. I don't think so, but it isn't going to hurt Netflix any just the people who make the movie. Maybe they will re-think this waiting period.

aeryn

I don't think so...Avatar was going to be the most pirated movie either way. For someone skipping the big screen release in favor of DVD, waiting another 28 days isn't going to matter much. If they were going to pirate they'd have done it when a screener version appears online, well before any official DVD release.

A lot of piracy is outside of the US because TV/movie release windows can be as much as two years after domestic release in the States. I've seen many comments to the effect of "if I only had to wait 28 days I wouldn't pirate."

Racket

I think it increases piracy. I don't know that its a huge increase but it is an increase. The problem is that any increase in piracy puts more eyes and minds behind making piracy easier. Someone who figures out how easy it is to pirate something instead of waiting 28 days is more likely to start pirating things before the films are officially released on DVD. About a month before the DVDs are officially released, there is usually a DVD quality copy floating around the bit torrent world. This puts the piracy release date 2 months before the Netflix release date, and increases the market for pirated DVDs. The studios really need to account for piracy all the way through their business model and realize they should be focusing on beating pirates on quality, convenience, timeliness and the law. They spend all their time focusing on the law and that is why they are fighting a losing battle.

It is a downward spiral. The studios want to get x dollars for a film. The non pirates pay more to cover lost revenue covering the costs of the pirates, eventually the studios increase the cost to make more money, so more people pirate, so prices are raised, so more people pirate, until the movie industry becomes the music industry. Some lessons have been learned by the movie studios, but they are still repeating many of the mistakes made by the music industry.

things

Its like drugs…nothing we can do will increase or decrease it greatly either way. People are gonna do what they wanna do.

JDoors

Frankly, I hope to hell the wait causes more piracy, and I'm totally against piracy to begin with! They screw us, they get screwed right back. Suits me just fine, just fine.

Due to the nature of piracy I doubt the numbers will ever be quantified, but if anyone deserves to have their greed backfire, it's the people who decided we must wait to rent new releases.

byteme

I don't think the rental release window will substantially increase pirating of Avatar, but I do think the money grab of 3 different releases (stripped down version, extended version, 3D version) will.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who want to buy the extended or 3D version but don't want to pay for the same movie 2-3 times and don't want to have to wait until November or even next year to be able to enjoy it at home.

Some may wait the 28 days to rent the bare-bones version in the meantime, but I'm sure many more will simply download it to watch as many times as they like.

Of course, another interesting question is: How many of those who download for this reason will bother to buy the extended/3D version when it finally comes out? After seeing it many times, the thrill may have worn off by then.

The same question could really be asked of those who go ahead and purchase the bare-bones disc now, too.

Dave

Should give the movie and recording industry a startling statistic they can use to bring to Congress to further lobby for far more stringent copyright protection laws.

Once they put a price tag on every download, figure about $30 on every download, they have good rhetoric to lobby for something to be put in place to up the ante on the saber rattling that's been going on the last few years.

student aid

It's not like we're not gonna wait and buy their dvd's....or get raped by a Blockbuster dvd rental...Once again, Hollywood is lost and I have no sympathy for the losers that run Hollywood.. This arrangement mutually benefits our two companies, it’s more importantly a win for consumers who will now have increased access to Universal films at more than 20,000 Redbox locations nationwide,” noted Universal President Craig Kornblau in a statement. “In forging this pact, we have successfully established balanced terms for our rental products in politics kiosks that provide consumers value and convenience in movie rentals.” The first Fox movie that will be delayed for Redbox will be Avatar, Redbox noted in a recent statement. Avatar is one of the most anticipated movies of the past few years, and was expected to help fixed a strained relationship between Fox and Redbox. I’m beginning to think a 28-day window may be too long for movie releases that aren’t blockbusters, as it’s just too lengthy of a period in medical school. However, the industry seems to have settled upon the 28-day delay, though movie studios and distributors said they would be willing to discuss the topic further.

Vader

Its been released already? lol :)

tiffany1837co

It is a downward spiral. The studios want to get x dollars for a film. The non pirates pay more to cover lost revenue covering the costs of the pirates, eventually the studios increase the cost to make more money, so more people pirate, so prices are raised, so more people pirate, until the movie industry becomes the music industry. Some lessons have been learned by the movie studios, but they are still repeating many of the mistakes made by the music industry.

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I think everything will be even worse...

ZeroCorpse

It's never a good idea to tie consumers' hands or force them to do things a specific way when they're used to having options.

I don't mind waiting, but then, I'm not a "new releases" kind of guy. People who are waiting for a new release only to be told that, because of their rental company choice, they're a 2nd class citizen..? Yeah. I kinda get their anger and vengeful feelings over the situation.

Frankly, it's sh*tty for the movie studios to do this to Netflic and Redbox customers while not maintaining the same policy with Blockbuster. I hope it leads to Blockbusters final breath.

niceboobies

tiffany1837co, stfu already you self-aggrandizing internet troll. And no I'm not going to click on your link. You should learn how to properly whore yourself out such as "student aid"s post...as pathetic as that was, at least "student aid" made it an interesting if discombobulating read.

Dragonii

Umm, YES.

I never downloaded movies until this stupid hold was put in place.
Since they started the 28 day hold I have downloaded every new release that these studies have put out that I wanted to see. My Netflix account has been dropped down from three at a time to one and I have not been to a Red Box since they started this. I get the emails from Red Box announcing the new releases and I have already seen them. So Netflix and Red Box have lost money, at least from me they have.
In the past I would rent movies from Netflix or Red Box and then go buy them if I liked them. Yes, my fiancé and I are pathetic movie lovers. We have a collection of over 400 titles on DVD and Blu Ray. Now that they have put a 28 day hold on new releases we just download them when they come out. A side effect of that is that I don't even go buy them if I like them the way I used to. Why should I? I now have a 1080p rip of the movie.
So the studios have shot themselves in the foot twice. They don't get my money from a rental or from a purchase.
Not saying it's right, but if they are going to fuck me for being a loyal fan, then fuck them back.

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