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Steve

Thanks for screwing over all the linux customers netflix. I will remember this if I ever see a competitor. I

twitter.com/Blackneto

I'll have to agree with Steve.
Unless something changes I'll jump if a competitor shows up with a decent streaming catalog and linux support.

Mr Nethead

Gee, this is shocking. :P Reed Hastings is on the board of directors at Microsoft, ya know.

sukru

Come on... What other choice did they have? Besides, Netflix streaming works fine on devices they support.

Apple DRM - Nope, they don't play nice with anybody.
Flash - So that we can go back to 480p?
No-DRM - As good as it sounds no movie studio would let Netflix do that.

I'm writing this from a Linux laptop, but I understand the limitations, and can always go to my Windows PC, Xbox, or my friend's PS3 to stream Netflix. It's much better than nothing.

Jesus from Venus

I hate to say it kids but, DRM works for Netflix. I haven't had or even heard of anyone having trouble with DRM when streaming a movie.

Netflix is an all you can eat kind of deal, as long as your at the buffet. Can anyone honestly say its fair to the studios to have Netflix's 15000 titles available on the internet without protection?

And for the 6 linux users out their, its called dual booting its not hard. It doesn't make since to go out of the way to support a system doesn't use.... and look, the market agrees.

Lynne

See my post on HTML5 and how Hank - got really upset with me when I tried to say that many other video sites provide TV and Movies to Linux users - it seems only Netflix.com won't and I am sure Linux TV and Movie suppliers are protecting their DRM rights too for example Amazon.com Video On demand provides their videos on Ubuntu Linux so does - Hulu.com and Crackle.com and many of the TV Networks including FOX, NBC and others. The problem with Microsoft is they want you to get a new computer every few years - who can afford that - in 2014 I am only using Ubuntu Linux and not dual boot because I cannot afford a new computer for an upgraded Windows software. Now watch and see I get blasted for this post - I wonder if they are employees of you know who????

Lynne

Linux Users - my suggestion is get Ubuntu Linux and get from Boxee TV and Hulu.com their desktop versions and you will be able to see all the TV and Movie Video On Demand sites you can view for free on Ubuntu Linux OS. You may also wish to check out Amazon.com Video On Demand - for paying Video On Demand stuff for Ubuntu Linux Operating System that is what I am going to do in Year 2014 when Microsoft XP stops their support - I will still get the Netflix.com Rental DVDs but I won't go in debt for the Netflix.com Instant Video On Demand Streaming....

Lynne

When I mean Desktop version for Boxee and Hulu it is a download from their websites so you can watch videos from your Ubuntu Linux Computer.

Lynne

Boxee tv link for Ubuntu Linux Version download

http://www.boxee.tv/download

Hulu.com link for Ubuntu Linux Version download

http://www.hulu.com/labs/hulu-desktop

Amazon.com Video On Demand site

http://www.amazon.com/Video-On-Demand/b/ref=sa_menu_atv2?ie=UTF8&node=16261631


Again these posts are for fellow frustrated Linux users looking for TV and Movie Streaming sites for Ubuntu Linux OS - not for employees who cannot take constructive customer service feedback to try to discredit.... Serious Linux Users you know what I mean....

Lynne

Sorry Fellow Linux Users - one more Video On Demand Free site with limited commercials for Ubuntu Linux Users

Crackle.com

http://www.crackle.com/

Enjoy fellow Ubuntu Linux OS users! :)

Hank

Lynne, I'm not upset with you, just disappointed.

You obviously despise Microsoft and think they're evil and you seem to have a problem with big businesses in general. You want a simple answer to why you can't have Netflix on Linux and you need someone to rant at.

The reality is that Netflix is not involved in a conspiracy with Netflix, but if it makes you feel any better you can still think of them as being evil for making a business decision that ignores the tiny Linux market, at least for now.

It is indeed about profit and providing Linux support is not going to bring a significant number of new customers to Netflix, certainly not compared to the other markets they are pursuing. And my guess is that those budget conscious Linux users are not going to be among the most profitable and easy to support. Sorry Lynne, but a typical iPad customer will probably be worth 10 of you to Netflix.

How about all those, such as yourself, who claim that they will leave Netflix over this (or will leave it when a competitor comes along). But that's really just a load of BS, isn't it, because there already are competitors who are no doubt scratching their heads where the millions of Linux users are to fill their coffers.

No, you won't switch to using Amazon video or Hulu or any other competitor on Linux, because they won't offer you the same service that you get from Netflix and you're too cheap to pay for better service. I'm sure you would switch if some imaginary company gave you everything Netflix did AND provided Linux, but there is no company on the horizon that is close to providing that kind of service in any reasonable time frame. Except for Netflix itself, of course.

Lynne

The BS is not coming from me - and you are the one ranting - my posts are for Linux users such as myself that want Streaming videos for Linux - who are also on a budget and don't want to go bankrupt and cannot afford to buy every new toy out there or upgrade their computers or want to use Microsoft at all and prefer Linux OS. Nothing more needs to be said on my part - you keep ranting if you want. Linux users enjoy my alternatives for streaming videos for Ubuntu Linux OS on your computers - see previous posts on this thread for suggestions.

ScottZ

I think their are more Linux desktop users out there than corporate America realizes.

byteme

Sorry to break up the Linux discussion, but I have a different question.

Within the last day, when I tried to watch something on my Roku HD, I got a message stating that it was no longer connected to my Netflix account. It gave me a new code to enter at Netflix.com. When I entered it, Netflix named it a Roku SD (Standard Definition) as opposed to an HD model.

I haven't had a chance to check and see if the quality has been affected. I'm not sure whether or not Netflix is down-rezzing my picture because it believes my Roku is only an SD model. I couldn't find anything on the website that addresses this issue and I haven't been able to find a link to email Netflix customer support. I haven't have time to call them about it yet.

I wonder if the need to reconnect my Roku to Netflix and this issue are related to the new DRM. Has anyone else had this issue?

lynne

Maybe you might want to try calling or e-mail Roku Tech person and if they cannot help calling Netflix - to see if they can help you with your Roku Player. I would have acquired a Roku Player if I didn't have to pay about $20 dollars more a month for a higher DSL service. Or check out Roku Player forums or groups. Hope this can help. :)

lynne

Scott, I am not worrying about the ones (Corporate America) that won't recognize Linux OS anymore -- and working with the ones that do - such as Amazon.com, Hulu.com, Crackle.com, Youtube, and many of the TV sites for video streaming and other related Linux stuff - at least I know these work on Ubuntu Linux OS. Boxee TV computer desktop download for Linux OS is great in that they have a search library for TV and Movies that show all the Ubuntu Linux sites available to Ubuntu Linux users. :)

Hank

Lynne, if you stick to suggestions about other alternatives to video on Linux and refrain from incoherent bashing of Netflix and Microsoft then nobody's going to have to call you on your BS. You invited me to respond by addressing me by name so don't pretend you're hurt by my comments.

Nobody here has a problem with Linux (or with people on a budget, for that matter). Just with Linux users who make a conscious choice and then grouse because the rest of the world does not see their wisdom and is (obviously) conspiring against them.

Netflix will add a Linux client when they generate more profit from that work than they do from other alternatives for their limited resources, or when it becomes of strategic importance for them. Until then enjoy what you do have without bitching and idle threats.

5% is Less then 95%

Good Grief Lynne! You do realize that the definition of a ranter is someone who goes on and on and on and on about a thing that they have already been told most do not care about right?

I've said it before and I will say it again, Netflix (as well as many others) are 100% focused on the 95% of users who are not Linux, and who are most likely all on the lowest tiered plan ($8.99) who have also figured out how to get maximum DVDs mailed.

Face it Linux users are not just budget conscious, they are frigging uber cheapskates! I'm on a budget too, but I have no problems whatsoever using my 8 year old PC running Windows XP to stream IW using SL4. I haven't had to pay for M$ software since 2001, and even then it was only $80 (or $8 a year...) So your argument doesn't really hold up.

Stop being so cheap and Stop being so unreasonably paranoid (nobody really cares), it will bring you less stress, lower your risk of heart disease, perhaps help with your weight problems and diabetes, and it might even improve your circulation and add a little color to your complexion!

Just think... All that for accepting the fact that Linux is truly NOT all that, never has been and quite frankly never will be.

Please do not bother to quote me your redundant statistics, comments or alter debates, I have been there and done that, I know that true Linux believers wear permanent blinders and do not see any other fact that does not praise their almighty Linux God...

PatB

Here's an insight into Obama's popularity. He has tapped into entitlement thinking and resentment.

People choose to use Linux for various reasons. One of the negatives for Linux is that there are certain applications that it can't run. Much the same can be said for Windows or Mac OSs. But Linux users seem to think that there should be no trade offs. They seem to believe that they are victims when some application doesn't run on their machine. They bask in their own self admiration for running a non-standard OS unlike the ignorant and hated masses who run PCs or Macs, but they cry and moan and rant when others don't fully support their OS choice.

Is anyone interest in hearing me complain that I'm having trouble getting apps for my Altair or my Commodore PET?

John

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to request that their operating system be supported. While I am sure it wouldn't be as easy as Netflix snapping their fingers, companies like Amazon.com and Hulu.com are doing it, so it's certainly something they could do if they wanted to.

I don't even currently use Linux (Though I tried it for a while some time back), but I like the idea of alternatives existing and being supported, because that gives people some degree of choice. Even Windows users like myself benefit the healthier the operating system market becomes. Monopolies often create situations where companies can basically do whatever they want and people are basically stuck with it. Choice forces companies to price things more competitively and provide better products.

Someone said that Linux users tend to be value-conscious and thus aren't really the market for Netflix, but I'm not sure I agree. Netflix is basically in some ways the movie destination for the value conscious. It's cheaper than the movie theaters, buying the DVD retail, most cable on-demand, and even the local rental stores. One would think that there would actually be a lot of overlap between the people who would seek out a free operating system and the people who would like to pay a low flat rate for old movies rather than pay big money to sit in the theaters or rent from Blockbuster.

DRM is usually something I have a big problem with when it comes to purchases (Not rentals like Netflix), because when I buy something, I expect to be able to use it when I want, where I want, with what I want, and for as long as I want without having to check in with some server or whatever that will inevitably eventually cease to support the DRM and leave me stuck without my purchase some day (Even if it's the distant future).

However, Netflix streaming is a rental, so to me that is one of the limited circumstances where DRM is acceptable. In the case of Netflix, I'm only paying to have access to movies while I am a subscriber, I am not buying the movies, that is why it is so much cheaper than buying movies -- so it makes sense to have DRM in that instance. Same with something like the rentals you can get on Amazon or Itunes or whatever -- you pay a low price to rent the movie for a day, so there is DRM to make sure you only have it for that day, otherwise they'd charge full price. Makes sense to me.

By the way, can we can the political talk? I voted for Obama and even I am not as obsessed with him as a lot of conservatives seem to be. As long as we're on the subject, though, here's an interesting counterpoint to what that guy said. Maybe some Republicans tap into people's inner selfishness, sense of superiority, and disdain for the less well off by scapegoating people with a rough lot in life for all the world's problems and trying to deny them the help they need. People who already have rough lives just have their lives made rougher by insensitive comments that try to cast them as lazy or entitled. There's really no call for it -- especially on a site about movies, which people try to use to temporarily forget their problems, not be reminded of them. Food for thought.

Hank

John, you make a lot of good points.

It is quite reasonable for Linux users to request support for their platform and if they believe Netflix is underestimating their market clout they have every right to demonstrate it by starting a petition or by canceling their accounts. By all means publicize other choices for video and patronize other services that meet your requirements.

But it is UNreasonable to frame this as a demand, to claim ridiculous conspiracies and otherwise try to harass, intimidate, or embarrass Netflix into an action that is counter to the profitability of their own business.


You miss the point about Linux users being value-conscious. Netflix does offer a lot of value and Netflix will gladly accept any customer who makes them even a dollar per month. But they would rather focus on providing new services to those members who make them 5 or 10 dollars per month.

Not to mention that it is quite possible that many of those budget conscious Linux users will actually cost Netflix money by turning over discs more rapidly and by consuming many hours of online content and multiple expensive support calls.

There are certainly a lot of high-income, big-spending Linux users out there, but my guess is that most of them have many other alternatives with which to stream Netflix. The ones whose only (or primary) source of IW is Linux are those who are the least profitable (or unprofitable) for Netflix and those are the only ones who are clamoring for this service.

BP

@ Lynne

You're the kind of annoying self-entitled prat that keeps on whinging and carrying on when it is so overwhelmingly crystal clear that nobody, not a fucking soul, gives a shit.

You are like most linux users in that you are making the right argument for all the wrong reasons in the most blatantly annoying way possible. It's like nails on a chalkboard, except instead of sodding off when you get caught, ten other people leap out from behind the desk and join in on the calcium scraping game.

PatB would make a good point, except for the fact that, per usual, he doesn't get it. This in spite of the fact that he thinks he does. (You must listen to These Arms Are Snakes or The Oblivians, don't you?)

Anyway, the self-entitled linux user with a persecution complex is perhaps the most minuscule percentage of all linux users. Whereas they choose to piss and moan and whine that although they made the right choice - to give it to the man! and to use an open source operating system! and to leech off the hard work of others whilst contributing NOTHING of their own, either in funding or in code! - most linux users would instead choose to lead or assist a project seeking to develop an open source alternative. Most of these linux users also choose to dual boot or have a second box as they realize that any other way lay madness.

In case anyone is stupid fucking enough to not get any of the above, I'll make it simple for you: the computer itself is a car. What engine (OS) you put in it determines what type of gasoline it uses. You can choose petrol, diesel or electric. Complaining that Shelby or Hennessey choose not to support your vehicle for modification because you bought a Tesla is your own damned fault and it wouldn't matter one fucking iota if Carroll Shelby sat on the Ford board of directors because it's HIS choice whether or not to modify a specific car and it's YOUR choice to choose a car HE'LL modify if you want HIM to modify IT.

To wit, you don't make the rules of business in an open market and no amount of BAWWWWWing will change that. It's an operating system, not a lifestyle choice. Get the fuck over it.

Edward R Murrow

I do like this:

"Netflix is an all you can eat kind of deal, as long as your at the buffet"

Some buffets are better than others. Right now, the Netflix streaming catalog is the equivalent of Hometown Buffet.

I can't think of an analogy for the 28 day wait followed by "Very Long Wait" when the DVD is released without spewing profanity. Although cluster-fVck does come to mind.

Mike

Can we all just get along? I hate being the parent in the discussions.

Please don't make me send you to your rooms without dinner!

- Mike / HackingNetflix

baron

my personal experience (ymmv):
*video looks much better on Roku than on Mac/silverlight (including titles that are not HD.)
*on Mac platform at least, no support for silverlight under Chrome (I don't expect MS to trip over themselves adding support for Google's browser).
*Since latest silverlight update, I cannot get it to work under Firefox (still working under Safari for now--fingers crossed).

The melange of overlapping video standards/platforms/drm/browsers/etc. is very frustrating. Is it not possible to use a de facto industry standard like H.264 with some sort of DRM wrapper?

BP

@ Mike

Not my room! I only have a linux PC in there. :(

PatB

BP said:

"PatB would make a good point, except for the fact that, per usual, he doesn't get it. This in spite of the fact that he thinks he does. (You must listen to These Arms Are Snakes or The Oblivians, don't you?)"

I suppose I'm supposed to be insulted but I'm merely confused. Who or what are "These Arms are Snakes" or "The Oblivians"? And what does it mean to be someone who listens to them?

I'm accused of "not getting it". I must be guilty. I certainly don't get any of whatever this means.

sukru

Silverlight player is not utilized only for the DRM.

It also does intelligent bandwidth aware stream switching, usually without even pausing the video (search "iis smooth streaming" for a demo).

Additionally it frees Netflix from implementing their own custom plugin in at least three versions (one for IE/Activex, one for Windows/Firefox,etc, and one for Mac).

And silverlight video output is hardware accelerated. Flash did not have this feature until 10.1 beta (last time I checked it was not out yet, I myself am on the beta). It also performs better on general.

If you add all these reasons, the choice is very clear for Netflix.

screwdestiny

Jeez, some of you haters need to grow up.

I'm not a Linux envangelist, but I do run Ubuntu. I know how to dual-boot, I know how to kick open virtual box. But I too, in the wake of seeing Netflix devote time to put itself on systems that are obviously not using Silverlight (iPhone, Android, PS3s, and Wiis) am disappointed that Netflix is ignoring the Linux community since it blatantly has the know how and resources to provide such a solution. Linux users would be overjoyed to have Netflix embrace us (which Amazon does not only in VOD, but in its MP3 downloader program as well) and would only benefit, now it just irks everyone and sets everyone on a path to figure out how to get it to work themselves - and the solution the community comes up with certainly won't be as secure and beneficial to Netflix as one Netflix would put out.

Am I canceling? No, because I use Netflix for the DVD service - 3 DVDs a month. But am I now rigging my Netflix queue guiltfree? Absolutely.

TJL

All these linux bashers are forgetting that the boxee box, tivo, and roku all run on linux, yet they're able to play netflix VOD. So if netflix supports linux settop boxs why would they block linux desktop. The software is already available. I'm calling B.S. . Don't get me wrong, im not anti-microsoft or anti-silverlight. In fact I really like win 7 and i use it on my HTPC. I just dont want to install windows on my laptop just so i can occasionally watch a movie on it. Theres always virtualization, but video gets a little choppy. Honestly, netflix should strike a deal with boxee. Build a close source plug-in for boxee and use that as the offical netflix player for ubuntu. Although you would probably just hear bitching from people who prefer XBMC. But at least it would provide a linux solution and eliminate the chance of piracy.

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