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ClydesMP

""What becomes not legal is if you send your user name and password to all your friends so they can get free subscriptions," said the bill's House sponsor, Rep. Gerald McCormick."

What's idiotic is because they want to bow down and kneel before the altar of the RIAA and MPAA, that they would waste their time on such an asinine problem. Yeah, I'll share my password with a hundred friends.

Let's see I have a three and out plan. I already have four devices in my home that I use to stream. So if I share my password, I'll tell all my friends to make sure they call me so I'll be sure not to watch anything on any of my own devices. Obviously these idiots aren't even aware of how Netflix Streaming works and that although you might let a relative stream, it would present problems with the limitations. I guess they have no unemployment or any other issues to deal with in Tennessee.

bicker

What is idiotic is that such laws are necessary in the first place - that some people are so self-centered and self-entitled that they exploit any leniency in the terms and conditions of sale for whatever they buy.

Here's an idea: Want something? PAY FOR IT! Stop "sharing" other people's stuff.

ClydesMP

"What is idiotic is that such laws are necessary in the first place - that some people are so self-centered and self-entitled that they exploit any leniency in the terms and conditions of sale for whatever they buy.

Here's an idea: Want something? PAY FOR IT! Stop "sharing" other people's stuff.

And now folks, you know why we get these idiot legislatures. Because they dream these silly unnecessary laws up and pass them, you get actual real people to believe that they're necessary. The law isn't necessary, I guarantee you this is not hardly a problem simply because of the logistics of implementing it. Have you heard of this "problem" before now? No. Just another piece of crap legislation dreamed up by the RIAA and the MPAA. Do some research bicker, and quit being such a gullible patsy of your legislature.

Shanshu73

i do love the fact that people share their passwords for friends. those must be the most deadbeat friends ever. so two thing you cant say in tennesee is that your gay and here is my netflix password. ?

Entuza

I thought Netflix mitigated this by limiting the number of concurrent devices to the number of discs on your plan.

Royrapoport

@Enfuza,

This article is frustrating because it's creating an impression that this is actually an issue that Netflix has, or that Netflix has advocated to resolve by way of the legal system.

To the best of my knowledge, this appears to be a situation where the recording/music labels lobbied for this law to be created. If you read the article, you see that the author is using the case of sharing Netflix passwords as an example of something that would be prohibited by law, but that doesn't actually mean that Netflix was the intended beneficiary of the law. I think it's also the case that Netflix password sharing is done commonly enough (and the Netflix brand is popular enough) that it's the easiest way to explain the law and what's covered under it.

So you can talk about the impact on Netflix password sharing (and given that this is hackingnetflix, that's probably a reasonable scope), but this law isn't driven by password-sharing issues with Netflix, nor will it (and this is IMHO, of course) significant impact Netflix (other than in cases where people think Netflix drove this misguided law and end up retaliating against Netflix, rather than the labels).

-roy

kh99

@ClydesMP - the only people who think the law is idiotic are the idiots who convince themselves that illegal sharing isn't wrong. So instead of complaining why don't you just go back to your illegal downloading and keep telling yourself you're a hero instead of a criminal.

Xino

@kh99 It seems to me that the RIAA and MPAA have taught us that ethics don't apply in doing business with them because they don't do business ethically. For example, they have excessive fines for the people they prosecute. Some people don't understand how excessive they are so I will explain. When I was a kid, I had a really bad temper and one day in November of 1993, I was 12 years old, and someone pissed me off and I lost control and hit them one time with a baseball bat. My parents payed a few hundred dollars for his hospital bill and i had 4 months of probation. Then about 11 years ago, there was a 12 year old girl named Whitney Harper who got prosecuted for downloading for downloading 40 some songs and they got $150,000 per song.

Also the movie industry tricked people into thinking people actually owned movies when you bought them on DVD in a store, but if you really owned them, it wouldn't be illegal to break the copy protection for the sole purpose of protecting your property. I understand it being illegal to give a copy to someone else, but making a copy for yourself should be ok.

They also attack companies who did nothing wrong such as the one in this story. http://revision3.com/blog/2008/05/29/inside-the-attack-that-crippled-revision3/

At the end of that story, they didn't pay a penny for the crime they committed against revision3.com.

Johnson1965Tony

Share an account go to jail. Deceive investors intentionally and make millions sounds about right.

Ecksoa

Theft has always been punishable by possible jail time. Times have changed the ways one can steal, but essentially downloading / sharing without paying is theft. Snagging a DVD from Target is theft, sneaking into a theater without paying is a form of theft or at least trespassing. So why isn't unauthorized use of someone's online streaming account or illegally downloading media?

Of course, I think that the way such laws are applied aren't always consistent. If I were selling counterfeited Metallica shirts at a concert, I'd surely be arrested, fined, maybe face probation or jail time. If I were an artist at a company where I swiped a graphic off of someone online web comic strip for commercial use, would anyone face jail time? At worst, the company might face a lawsuit. Doubt anyone would see actual jail time. Consequences would likely be limited to civil litigation.

This law to me seems unnecessary considering the possible applications. One thing to protect consumers from a hacker stealing and distributing your password. It's another to have local law enforcement potentially go after someone because you wanted to show off Netflix streaming at the neighbor's house by using the neighbor's PC.

Seems easy enough for these companies to create almost any terms of service they desire. They can limit the number of devices you, the subscriber, can use before having to buy a new subscription. They can outright say if they believe your service is being shared, they reserve the right to terminate your subscription.

Seems the fairest way to go about it, under the threat of civil litigation if they find someone's been sharing the use of service well beyond the bounds of the agreed terms.

MiniMonkey

What's vague is that it's legal for people to have a "shared" account -- for example, roommates might split the cost of a Netflix account and both be able to use the streaming anywhere they please... but it's illegal for someone to "share" their account with a friend by letting them use their password to watch a movie every once and a while? Granted, this isn't the case the law is directed toward, but what's the legal difference between 2 friends having a shared account (OK) and 1 person having an account that they decide to share with a friend (punishable by law)?

Who is to say that a group of students in a college dorm might not all decide to chip in $1/month toward a shared Netflix account and have a big board up in the hallway where everyone could reserve times to access streaming (since the number of concurrent streaming users is limited)? I see nothing wrong with this. How is this different than everyone sharing a cable subscription and booking time to use the TV room?

Kealani Smith

It's pretty simple really.
People who want to make good choices will. People who scheme and steal will always be able to and will never feel guilty, and that's why we call them sociopaths.

ClydesMP

@ClydesMP - the only people who think the law is idiotic are the idiots who convince themselves that illegal sharing isn't wrong. So instead of complaining why don't you just go back to your illegal downloading and keep telling yourself you're a hero instead of a criminal.

@KH99
First off, you might brush up on your reading skills if you have some to brush up on. I don't live in Tennessee and I don't do illegal downloading. Try going back and read what I was complaining about. I know it's hard for you backwoods conservatives who can't bust out of your Fox News cocoon, but try anyway.

I'm sick and tired of legislatures wasting their time and the time of everybody else passing stupid unnecessary unenforcable laws that are nothing more than a way to wipe the
butts of the RIAA and the MPAA. With all the budget problems and education cuts in these states, especially Tennessee, this is simply a needless useless distraction from important issues that matter. Now go back to reading your Dr. Suess book. This ranks right up there with the law they just passed in Tennessee to outlaw the word "gay" in schools.

And if you think it's just me who thinks is all rather ignorant, try again, because I think you'll be in the minority if you read these comments: http://consumerist.com/2011/06/tennessee-lawmakers-pass-bill-to-make-it-illegal-to-share-your-netflix-password.html

vio

I agree that the law is useless. Just as the laws created to stop people from downloading mp3s or movies from torrent sites have turned out to be worthless, so will this law. Millions and millions people continue to illegally download mp3s and our incompetent corrupt government remains powerless to do anything about it. You can't police millions of people doing something from the privacy of their own homes. It's just not possible.

However, I also agree with the poster who said people who "share" Netflix accounts are downright pathetic. It's a measily 8 f'ing bucks a month to get a streaming account with NF and these people are too cheap to even pay that. It makes me sick.

Royrapoport

@vio, it's worth noting that in some cases, sharing Netflix accounts is pretty much a requirement. Until Netflix makes it easy to switch between profiles/accounts on NRDs, it makes no sense for an NRD shared between people to somehow switch between two different Netflix accounts (because it's too painful). That's why our Wii, XBox, PS3, and AppleTV all essentially require me to share my account with my spouse.

vio

Also, I think it won't be long before Netflix and similar streaming services implement a "same location" restriction. By this, I mean they'll probably find a means via an IP address or something to keep all streaming enabled devices in the same home on the same internet/network connection. That way someone can't give their login information to 4 of their cheap skate friends to use at no cost.

Frankly, I think it's a great idea and probably necessary for Netflix to remain profitable in the years to come.

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