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"60,000 streaming titles and 140,000 DVDs at Netflix."

Wow, so by my calculations there are 80,000 movies worth watching that Netflix carries. Who knew it was so high?


Still won't stop people from complaining and thinking that $7.99 entitles them to every movie ever made.


dude, yep. People crack me up, let's complain about the streaming collection for 8 bucks a month on hundreds of devices but the vast majority remain silent as their Cable/Sat company bend them over month after month. Dozens of channels you never watch? Yep. Commercials? Yep. Edited? Yep. But I hate you Netflix because I can't watch 'Green Lantern' as soon as the DVD streets.


Plus cordcutter, cable & satellite have tons of content that they'll never get at a much heftier price.

the RIAA and MPAA always think in terms of customers lost vs customers gained.

I'm not getting Showtime for Dexter or HBO for any of their shows. If they were on Netflix, I'd watch them. But I'm not watching them because they're not.


Netflix will be reporting their numbers soon. Some expect they are getting closer to the 30 million subscriber level. They are getting too big for the studios to ignore. In addition to original programing, there are still multiple ways they can attract more streaming content: music concerts and documentaries, window deal for movies going straight to DVD, movie niches like martial arts, etc. Pachter likes to mention the starz content loss, but he never talks about the loss revenue starz used to get from netflix. I think starz/netflix need each other and won't be surprised if they ink a deal in the future for a windowed deal for starz original programing.


I would gladly pay double what I pay now for streaming netflix if they offered better and new content. I think they should start offering different tiers. This would diversify them and attract more customers, corporations etc.

Steven Hoober

Since when is there an assumption that DVD is an encyclopedia representation of the history of film. All sorts of stuff is still on VHS only, or never was transferred. I am not even talking about all the silents lost to time, just people being lazy or dickish so we can't see some stuff.

I presume it'll get worse and worse, indeed, and some content will NEVER be available.


"Premium cable channels such as HBO and Showtime also are withholding their most popular series... because they are worried about losing subscribers if the content is available on Netflix's less expensive Internet service."

That's okay HBO and Showtime. We have other, even LESS expensive ways of getting your shows.

If that's what you want, then go ahead. Keep withholding from Netflix!


How many more people now know about Starz and their exclusive shows specifically because of Netflix? Look at the boost Netflix gave the new season of Mad Men, from another channel most people never cared about before Netflix. Netflix shouldn't be seen as a competitor for these channels, it should be seen as a partner.

As for the tiered system, that's something Netflix has always said will never happen. That's what Starz wanted them to do and why the didn't renew their contract. Would you really have been happy paying more for that crappy content? The studios will come around, they are just hurting themselves right now.


These studios don't strike 1-2 year distribution deals, pickings are very slim for rights. As far as I can tell Netflix had to pay tons of bucks to get Dreamworks Animation to exercise their early termination clause in their HBO deal and they still won't get those films till Q1 in 2013. Netflix to their credit has scooped up every available content deal out there. Open Road Films produced their first film in 2011, Netflix grabbed them before anyone else could (The Grey/Lockout being notable titles from them that NF streaming should get 90 days after DVD streets). EPIX, new channel, NF signed with them. Film District, their first batch of films came out in 2011... if it's available NF is going after it. I don't know what else people expect from them. All these other studios are locked down.


I'm almost to the point where I'm going to turn off streaming. I've run out of shows I want to watch (mostly TV). Very few movies on Streaming that I haven't watched.

I did just up to two DVD at a time. That is working well...


Serra, I just don't get that. Is it not able to navigate/find titles? Rango, less than 13 months after it hit theaters is on NF streaming. It won an academy award. Sleeping Beauty hit yesterday, it was at Cannes (watched it yesterday, personally did not enjoy it BTW). The Conspirator is on NF streaming, less than 12 months after it hit U.S. theaters, has a great cast was directed by Robert Redford (I DID enjoy that one BTW). If Feed Fliks is correct Melancholia (starring Kirsten Dunst, won bunch of awards at Cannes less than a year after theaters), Everything Must Go (Will Ferrell, less than a year after theaters) & Madea's Big Happy Family (Tyler Perry, 12 months after theater release) will all hit NF streaming this month. I just can't understand the "no decent movies" complaint at all... especially for the price/convenience of NF streaming.


For me, it isn't about new releases being available the moment they slide off the DVD assembly line, or the instant a program's season ends. I don't watch many 'popular' titles, and I can patiently wait for the ones I am interested in.

The issues I have with streaming have to do with quality, reliability (for example: the NF web service was down for me for at least 6 hours yesterday; I could access the site but not update my queue or view streaming content), features/options, etc. rather than with how soon I can get the current hits. Also, streaming content (understandably) expires - sometimes rather rapidly - while DVDs are available as long as there is a disc to send out.

For me, the NF service is worth every penny I pay (2 DVDs and streaming), because I use it almost daily. But when NF sells or splits off its DVD service (gonna happen), I may end up going wherever the DVDs are, whether that is with NF or some other provider. If I had to choose (and I don't want to have to maintain two accounts for video entertainment) I prefer the quality and control I get with physical discs over the instant, but imperfect, gratification I get from streaming. And, as the studios have made clear, they are not interested in releasing all the same content to streaming as they are to DVD. That means, for a long while yet, the gap between streaming and disc will be huge.


Netflix's streaming movie catalog should be compared to HBO/Showtime/Starz's movie catalogs. HBO right now has like 200 movies, only ~10 of which are from the last few years.

Robert Emmerich

The more big companies like Showtime and HBO talk about not letting their stuff be on nf, the better nf looks and the worse they look. It makes the entire "tiered nf" conversation a non-starter (no one above me has even mentioned it yet), which I think is good for nf brass as well. nf gets to shout out - "hey, we're getting you everything AVAILABLE to us, and at a really good price".
That said, if I were Showtime or HBO I woudln't put my stuff on nf. I would offer HBO Go for $20 to the masses though. It's called cutting out the middle-men. Maybe when the US gets to ubiquitous braodband HBO doesn't need cable. I think people often forget that part, cable needs HBO to get high-paying subscribers but HBO still needs cable to reach the masses.


When I had Satellite I had 250 channels of nothing much. So I cut the cord and never looked back. I certainly wouldn't buy cable for anything on HBO or SHOW or Syfy(dumb spelling).

I quit Netflix streaming because there wasn't much there that I wanted to watch anymore, the search mechanism was broken so most of the 80,000 movies could not be found, and the new interface was just plain annoying and useless to me.

So I get 2 DVDs at a time and that is about 4 movies a week. My queue stays at about 500 all the time. I like sci-fi and there is little of that on streaming except for BEMs and horror stuff. Fill out the day with podcasts and vodcasts for news, weather, Sword and Laser and Starship Sofa - a chapter or two on the Kindle and that is sufficient.

The cure for too-big-for-their-britches content providers is to simply leave. Is there that much on US TV that you would really miss?? Can you get the info or entertainment elsewhere? Is it that good a babysitter for your kids? Do you really want them watching that garbage in your house?


Re: Fear I think you are wrong about Starz. Netflix doesn't need them and won't re-sign. There are factors to consider

1- Starz cheated the studios with a loophole. They won't get the bargain prices if Netflix is involved.

2- Starz is a middle man. Netflix prefers to go to the rights holder directly. Starz was good when they had no ability to do so but now they do, so they will. Middle men are going to be squeezed out as the traditional tiered system crumbles.

re: Judy Perhaps I read too much into things but when Sci-Fi became SyFy that just cemented the fact that they have lost track of who their customers are. Classic sci-fi and anime along with cutting edge entertainment were tossed asside for cheap horror flicks that are shown edited for TV. Movies that depend on blood for it's one draw, shown without them. They have a few hits but usually dump them in favor of cheap stuff. Eureka and Stargate are lost but Uwe Boll movies will replace them.


Some of the libraries local to me carry many DVD movies than I am able to check out at no cost. In addition some of these libraries also offer the Showtime & HBO complete seasons on DVD for rental as well. So screw HBO & Showtime. I get their shows from the library. Anyone have this as an option ?


I don't expect them to have every title, but it seems to me that lately there has been less and less that I actually want to watch.

I thought with the increase of prices we would get better quality content, not these crap B-side straight to cable movie productions.


Slayerman, my library system also gets most of the Showtime and HBO complete seasons, which is where I get them (albeit a season late--just have to tell friends not to let loose with spoilers--though most I know have cut the cord as well). Don't like getting seasons one disc at a time like NF sends them out, so use the library for series and some new releases, have one at a time DVD and streaming from NF. More than I could possibly watch; can't imagine paying cable costs again for channel after channel of shows I have no interest in.


fohf, the price of streaming was not increased.


The Governing body of the Associated Press is slowly being taken over by idiots. It's rare that I see an AP article that is worth the paper its printed on anymore.

This "Stating the Obvious" article is proof of that.

Edward R Murrow

I think that life is too short to settle. Why would I want to stream something like "Real Housewives of New Jersey" when I could watch "Game of Thrones" on HBO?

If I was going to have one last meal would I want it to be from Hometown Buffet or Le Meurice?

Same thing with the rather pedestrian Netflix streaming content vs. Showtime and HBO content.


FYI "60,000 Streaming titles" means 60,000 *IF* you include EACH TV Episode (not season or series) separately. If you are counting Seasons, then it is about 15,000 titles. Sources: http://instantwatcher.com/titles/all

Like DUDE!


They are totally gonna add in that free TED TV content to the numbers too.


Who cares if Rango won an Oscar or if Sleeping Beauty was at Cannes? I have both plans but I can understand why people want to drop streaming and stick with just discs if they are looking to save $8 (and if they don't have a Netflix-capable device other than a laptop). Sure there is lots of stuff to watch, but it can be frustrating to want to watch something specific knowing you could just add it to the disc queue and get it in a couple of days.


@ Marshall
Netflix needs streaming content, starz need cash to create more content. If netflix could ink a deal to stream starz original programing (e.g. spartacus) a year after it airs on starz that would be beneficial for both companies.

@ CordCutter
You make a good point that netflix is a good deal. But if the movies they offer don't interest you, then I can understand why some would be disappointed. Hopefully netflix has some major streaming content announcements soon as I am running out of movies too.


Galagatron, maybe I wasn't clear, I was trying to state there are plenty of good movies (Critical and Box office) added monthly to NF streaming. HBO/Showtime add a new movie every Saturday night, hardly the smorgasbord of movies people make them out to be (and depending on your provider, likely double the cost of NF on a relatively puny number of platforms). Now the show side is a different story.

FearNo1 - I don't think it's so much new deals but getting the current deals to finally produce. Both Open Road and Film District are new studios, debuting their first films in 2011. Once those films start filling the pipeline I think the catalog will look a lot better (For instance Act of Valor/The Grey which should hit streaming before years-end).


I think it's sad that we're getting to the point where Amazon VOD actually has a lot of the streaming titles that Netflix *used to* have.

I like Amazon. I just don't want to have to subscribe to several services just to get a full selection of movies.


Maybe it's the shows and movies that I'm interested in, but I have Amazon Prime and Netflix, and I usually find that everything I'm interested on Amazon is on Netflix too, except that Netflix has more. Plus Netflix is easier to hook up to the TV.


DIRECTV, GAMEFLY, NETFLIX merge by 2013. Major competition for BLOCKBUSTER, DISHTV.


I had forgotten about Starz original content, some of which was pretty good. Starz also had foreign content which Netflix doesn't seem to have yet. Some of the Australian shows were actually quite good. Netflix should indeed persue Starz originals and I think with their global expansion they will get more staff in those countries to ease the licensing issues. Starz is in bed with Blockbuster because they depend on the tiered system that BB represents. A crumbling system.


I just don't get why they can't have more older titles. I mean I understand why studios might want to delay releasing of current feature films - but there is SO much TV available for streaming, and so few good movies. Given that there is a 100 years of back catalog films that are no longer big money makers, why can't Netflix stream those?

Kale Barton

@etragedy--The studios that own the movies-and yes, even older back catalog films that have never been released on dvd, will not sell streaming rights to everything they own. It's their call, and nothing Netflix has control over.

Tim Brownhouse

@Kate, don't shift blame entirely to the studios. Netflix has a content acquisition team, you know, and they exercise some discretion insofar as what they chose to acquire. There's been a downward trend since, ironically, their rate hike, favoring mostly insubstantial direct-to-DVD fare produced within the last ten years, and eschewing older titles, and films of cultural, cinematic, and historical significance.

Comcast, up until recently, provided second-tier premium users (with a "Preferred Plan" or better) with free access to something called "The Preferred Collection." They phased this out so as to introduce their anemic Netflix competitor Streampix. Of course, Streampix costs $4.99 to all but the highest tier of premium users, so it's another instance of Comcast providing less for more. Anyway, the Preferred Collection featured a rather impressive catalogue of HD titles that were quite obscure, with many forgotten gems like Alan Rudolph's REMEMBER MY NAME (1978, with Anthony Perkins and Geraldine Chaplin), which has never even been released on VHS, and Paul Wendkos' noir THE BURGLAR (1957), which is also not on DVD. Or ABANDON SHIP, a 1957 survival thriller starring Tyrone Power -- also not on DVD. Those and many similar titles were *not* transferred over to Streampix, cannot be found in Comcast's à la carte streaming library, and cannot be found anywhere else, including Netflix. (THE BURGLAR can be streamed on Amazon, but it's not in HD.) So, while titles like these have specialized appeal, the audience nonetheless exists, as does the content. For these cases, blame must be attributed to the content acquisition teams, who seem to be shaving whatever interesting and cinephilic tastes they have from their teams to preserve the pragmatic corporate bean-counters. Who's it hurt? Well, those with an authentic love for cinema, and the culture in general.

sean mccoy

ok withhold our movies from netflix i get the movies from other sorces and u wonder why people not buying the dvd's people want full screen video with no black box on their tv thats one reason i dont buy dvd's and another reason all the junk movie previews before the movie starts when i put a dvd in i want to just just hit play and watch the darn movie DAMN

That One Guy

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The Otha Dude

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