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I wasn't too upset about the expiration date changes. Some users have complained, but it hasn't been an overwhelming majority or anything. However, removing the rental and viewing history is a bit of a bummer. My site uses that data to allow users to filter watched/rented movies out of their search results. I also had some cool features in the works that used that data, so that work will need to be scrapped now. I guess it's good that Netflix is giving us a heads up that these changes are coming, but it still kinda sucks. -- Richard Hoppes, instantwatchdb.com


I'm just speculating, but maybe Netflix removed the rental history so that they couldn't get sued if a 3rd party leaks the history, Netflix gave the 3rd party access, so the person that was affected would probably blame Netflix even though they allowed the app to do it. Who knows?

Schmye Bubbula

Wait until you're in the middle of a multi-season TV series and you suddenly get a two-week warning that you won't be able to finish it, THEN you'll grasp the significance of expiration dates! This totally hoses our ability to plan ahead for viewing. Not only do we need the full expiry dates back for inspecting on third-party Netflix webites, we additionally need to be able to sort our Instant Watch queues by reverse-chronological expiration date, so we can watch the soonest-expiring ones first. This is the most user-hostile affront yet, in my mind worse than the Quickster fiasco.


I kind of understand why they don't show the expiration date, say they have the date out a month in advance, that is enough time for Amazon or Hulu to come in and get a deal for a popular tv show, and tout that they have what Netflix lost, they day they lost it. It is a move to block the competition.


We were on the fence in regards to Amazon Prime. I wasn't huge on their selection and their interface sucks ass... but my wife recently finished school and got back into recreational reading and the lending library was attractive. Then they announced the addition of "Watchlist" and we thought it was worth the money. I signed up yesterday. I have added 29 movies to my Watchlist and was surprised/happy to see clear as day it says "Prime Until XX/XX/XX". They give you the prime expiration right up front in the web portal. Now, I only signed up yesterday and everything I have expiring does so on the 30th of this month, so I'm not exactly how far-out reaching it is, for me just 10 days. Still though, it's easy to access and up front. The black-and-white date is nice, none of that "Expiring soon" baloney. The expiration date doesn't carry over to Amazon's Roku app, yet. I rarely use NF.com to view movies or even manage my queue. Does NF have a concrete expiration on Instant Watch titles? I don't think they do but wanted to ask. If not it's one way Amazon is actually superior to NF.

Everyone slams NF when they lose titles/adds titles they deem crappy, but I wanted to throw out of the 29 movies in my Watchlist 5 are expiring on the 30th. Pretty big chunk. Having only 1-month experience with Amazon (free trial), I'm anxious to see if their titles re-up like most NF titles do after expiration.

Kale Barton

I agree with Schmye Bubbula. For tv shows, it's a pain top be in the middle and then get the expiration notice. I don't like forced marathons-you don't get to sit back and enjoy the show beause you're rushing to beat the deadline. With movies, at least you know that a 2 year contract will include hiatuses, and that a title can return after a break (during the contracted period)
And since each deal yields a press release heralding the addition of newly added content, the theory that they don't want competitors knowing exact expiry dates doesn't hold up very well. If Amazon Prime were lusting after Nude Nuns With Big Guns. it seems more than likely that they could find out thru other channels than checking instantwatcher and feedfliks.


They press releases are vague, they say thing like "multi-year" licensing deal.


My biggest disappointing was that they removed the App Gallery. I know it didn't change often, but it was honestly how I use to go to sites like feedflicks, dvdlater and instantwatcher.

Not only that, it's how I found out about those sites to begin with. I know Netflix says it was old and dated, which I guess is true, but it still served its purpose and was dynamicly content driven by those developers. In my opinion, that dynamic element invalidates the "dated" code.


'Expiration' date may just as well say 'Negotiation' date, it's often misleading and leads to more confusion than is helpful. I care more about Coming Attractions.


I watch several series at different times, now will have no idea where I am in any given series. This will be a major problem. Also, am not good with titles, without the rental history list I will no doubt rent duplicates that I've seen before. Bummer doesn't begin to describe it, Netflix.


From my understanding, the user will see the rental history at Netflix.com, but not the app developers, And when you go a a film you already streamed, or rented, it tells you the date, and how long you watched it.


While agreeing with Schmye Bubbula, Kale Barton and Ceres -- I want to further emphasize that this ties into the issue of Netflix placing instant watch titles into the hidden saved section that can't be accessed or deleted once movies and shows expire, so if you're not vigilant in looking at movies and shows expiring every two weeks, you can lose a bunch of instant watch queue slots. I have since solved this problem by using instantwatcher to backup my instant watch queue, save them out of my queue and then print them out so I can keep my queue open, only placing movies I want to watch in the queue within the next two weeks. But who wants to do that?

I would like Netflix to again allow us to delete our saved queue or at least separate the hidden saved movies so it doesn't go toward that 500 slot limit -- or why don't they just remove that 500 queue limit? That way expiration dates for movies wouldn't be much of a problem as I could later catch those on DVD. Now shows are another issue all together....

I wrote a about this issue a couple months ago in the netflixcommunity.ning forum when the issue became known to me, focusing a lot on what these three people commented on above.

"Hopefully, if enough people complain, Netflix will stop masking their expiration dates so we'll know, years in advance, when lengthy shows (such as "Star Trek" and "Star Gate" that not only have multiple seasons but also multiple shows) will expire, so we don't miss the remaining episodes or attempt to run a marathon because we suddenly find out we have to watch 7 seasons of "X-Files" in 15 days."

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